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  • LingeringRegime
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jun 2007
    • 17089

    #4966
    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

    "Sources close to me are saying that James Harden has shaved off his beard, and that Russell Westbrook is the process of growing his out, while Kevin Durant is shaking his head."

    Chris Broussard

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    • ex carrabba fan
      I'll thank him for you
      • Oct 2004
      • 32744

      #4967
      Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

      Originally posted by tehova
      Its weird that he is judged based on the team he was traded to, as if he had a choice. If he was traded to a contender it appears no one would have a problem...despite it being the exact same scenario.

      Now if the argument is he shouldnt sign an extension and wait till the offseason to proceed, then that i'll listen to.
      Well how many contenders could afford to give Harden a max deal or would even want to? That's the difference. Most contenders already have their core max guys. That's sort of the point as to why he's being overvalued.

      In the end, getting 5 years max money is simply too much to turn down. So I can't even be upset at the man. However to the people who are trying to convince themselves that Harden as a number one or two option can result in a viable contender? That's what I'm not seeing.

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      • bigeastbumrush
        My Momma's Son
        • Feb 2003
        • 19245

        #4968
        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

        Originally posted by Fiasco West
        So in order to 'care about winning' they would have to tank? Is that caring about winning now? They made a move that makes them better now and you say they are trying to trick their fans? Also winning does fill the stadium and if they make the 8th seed with a team as young as this then I don't see how that really is a problem.

        Last year they were trying to make the playoffs with a buncha vets and players past 25 years old. Guys like Dalembert, Scola, Lowry, Camby, and Kevin Martin. This year they are trying to do so with a very young roster, I don't see how that is a bad thing.

        Edit: Also I just want to add that it seems Morey really likes Harden. If you look at the numbers you can see why. He expects that he will only get better, only time will tell if he's right or not. The Alternative to getting Harden cheaper would be to wait, wait until the trade deadline where every other team would be offering this or that... wait until FA where every other team would court him. If they signed him then Lamb still wouldn't get minutes...so in the end all they lost is a toronto pick. The Dallas pick is trash until 2018. The Rockets can actually buy a pick in the mid 20s and have done so before if they want a mid draft pick that bad.
        I gave HOU their props. They're a better team now than they were 24 hours ago IMO.

        But don't try to fool me. They've been setting up to get "big names" since the end of last season. They didn't want a young core and were definitely not trying to win with one. They only ran with them because Orlando rejected their deal for Dwight Howard.

        Giving the types of deals they gave to Lin and Asik (2 poison pills who had no other offers from anyone including their home teams if I'm not mistaken) is indeed fooling people. They wanted to make a big splash and Lin was step one of the bait.

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        • ex carrabba fan
          I'll thank him for you
          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #4969
          Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

          Anyone live in the OKC area? How are the fans reacting to this

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          • bigeastbumrush
            My Momma's Son
            • Feb 2003
            • 19245

            #4970
            Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

            Originally posted by Fiasco West
            Pretty much.

            The only thing they lost was a Toronto pick that was going to be a lottery pick until 2018. The Dallas pick is not even a lottery pick, it's a 21-30 pick.

            I look at it like they replaced their young prospect in Lamb with Harden. Is Lamb going to be better than Harden? I think he could be the best SG in this past draft class but still not better than Harden is now.
            Huh?

            *The Toronto choice is top three protected in 2013-14, top two in 2015, top choice protected in 2016.
            If that pick happens to be 4th, you're talking any of the following potentially going to an already loaded OKC squad as soon next year:
            Andrew Wiggins
            Nerlens Noel
            Shabazz Muhammad
            Cody Zeller

            Toronto is going to be horrendous this year.

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            • The 24th Letter
              ERA
              • Oct 2007
              • 39373

              #4971
              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
              Anyone live in the OKC area? How are the fans reacting to this
              Too bad Bumis not here to break it down for us

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              • Jukeman
                Showtime
                • Aug 2005
                • 10955

                #4972
                Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                He didn't dominate in any definition in high school nor college. From day 1 he's always been a complimentary type guy-- based off his demeanor, play style and skill set. Obviously it remains to be seen if he can take a team on his back in the pros, I'm simply stating that he has never shown this ability at the lower levels and based off his skills, he never will. I never said he wasn't a good high school or college player, but I've followed him closely since he's a local product here.


                Like I said, it was that extra year. That extra year will definitely set him for life financially. Can't pass up an opportunity like that if someone is giving it to you.
                Are we talking about a personality type?

                Skill set, yes he is not the most athletic but he is one of the most efficient players in the NBA and thats not exclusive to OKC because he was just as efficient in HS and at ASU.

                Sorry but Harding just turned 23.. He is still oozing with potential IMO.

                And there are plenty of guys without the "dominating" demeanor and has been a good option to build with just like it has been in vice versa.

                Is Harder the center piece for Houston? Who knows, but they still have room for others.

                Cant go wrong with Harden in this SG economy.




                -Juke

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                • 23
                  yellow
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 66469

                  #4973
                  If You wants to give him 80 mil years...enjoy

                  Hope he's that franchise player y'all wanted

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                  • Fiasco West
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 2820

                    #4974
                    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                    Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                    I gave HOU their props. They're a better team now than they were 24 hours ago IMO.

                    But don't try to fool me. They've been setting up to get "big names" since the end of last season. They didn't want a young core and were definitely not trying to win with one. They only ran with them because Orlando rejected their deal for Dwight Howard.

                    Giving the types of deals they gave to Lin and Asik (2 poison pills who had no other offers from anyone including their home teams if I'm not mistaken) is indeed fooling people. They wanted to make a big splash and Lin was step one of the bait.
                    Still, they were rejected of Dwight Howard and that obviously changed their plan. Look at what they did before they went after Dwight,trading for Pau Gasol and Marcus Camby (after signing Dalembert) for a hopeful playoff run. That's not moves you make to sell tickets.

                    Signing Lin is more complex than just signing Lin. Lowry wanted out since being benched for Dragic and Dragic went to Phx for more money than Lin to Houston.

                    I feel this is really about Lin, because Lin is the one that's going to sell tickets. (We'll see, only if he plays well. The stadium is still empty. People here don't care about Lin if he's going to be a average player...) Asik surely isn't selling tickets. I just don't see the big move that sells tickets here, winning is what sells.

                    Outside of Dragic and Lowry, what PG was Houston going to sign after losing both of theirs? Felton, Kidd? Lin was the best option at that point for this team. I doubt that no one else was going to sign Lin, thing is as a RFA he can agree to one's team deal (Houston) and bring it back to his original team.

                    They didn't want a young core but that's exactly what they have.

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                    • Suntan Superman
                      ****
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 7135

                      #4975
                      Why does everyone auto assume Toronto will be terrible? I'm not a huge fan of them, but they're a late lottery/possible 8 seed(with the fall of the Sixers, Hawks, Magic)

                      I doubt the 2013/14 pick turns into a #4 Overall...
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                      • J_Posse
                        Greatness Personified
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 11255

                        #4976
                        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                        Originally posted by 23
                        Had he not laid an egg in the finals maybe that 6 mill would've been understandable from the buffet table

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                        But, didn't Ibaka and all the other Thunder role players **** the bed against Miami after going bananas against San Antonio? I really think this trade can't really be assessed until after this season or into the future, but the Lakers chances of winning the West - as well as a slim chance for the Spurs, Clippers and (maybe) Grizzilies - improved ten fold.

                        And the people that are claiming that Martin is equal to Harden aren't looking at the numbers, age difference or injury history of both players. Harden will be severely missed in 4th quarters and coming off the bench (a role Martin hasn't had since Sacramento). He also could move over to the SF during stretches of smallball or with Cook in the lineup.

                        If I was a Thunder fan I would have prefered amnestying Perkins (that contract will only seem worse as he ages) and re-signing Harden than having an aging, non-defender and uncertainity with picks and prospects. Adding to that every Sam Presti pick isn't a homerun. Cole Aldrich (who was never given a legit chance) and Ian Mahinmi are two picks of his that didn't pan out on their original teams.
                        Last edited by J_Posse; 10-28-2012, 12:34 PM.
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                        • Fiasco West
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 2820

                          #4977
                          Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                          Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                          Huh?



                          If that pick happens to be 4th, you're talking any of the following potentially going to an already loaded OKC squad as soon next year:
                          Andrew Wiggins
                          Nerlens Noel
                          Shabazz Muhammad
                          Cody Zeller

                          Toronto is going to be horrendous this year.
                          If.

                          Could turn out to be a 10th pick or something. Toronto going to be worse than the bobcats, cavs, pistons, wizards, hornets, twolves, blazers, warriors, kings?

                          I'm also pretty sure the guys you named will all be top 3 picks.

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                          • ex carrabba fan
                            I'll thank him for you
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 32744

                            #4978
                            Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                            Originally posted by Jukeman
                            Are we talking about a personality type?

                            Skill set, yes he is not the most athletic but he is one of the most efficient players in the NBA and thats not exclusive to OKC because he was just as efficient in HS and at ASU.

                            Sorry but Harding just turned 23.. He is still oozing with potential IMO.

                            And there are plenty of guys without the "dominating" demeanor and has been a good option to build with just like it has been in vice versa.

                            Is Harder the center piece for Houston? Who knows, but they still have room for others.

                            Cant go wrong with Harden in this SG economy.




                            -Juke
                            Come on man don't run around the topic. We both know he is oozing with potential and we both know he's one hell of a player and a top player at his position, albeit a weak position. We both know his gifts and talents. His demeanor isn't the only thing that leads me to view him like I do. I gave you other reasons. His game, the way he plays and approaches the game, is a complimentary style. It always has been. That's how he was wired. It's not a bad thing at all, that's just who he is.

                            I won't even discuss Houston right now and their logic, because I can't be mad at a team for trying and still keeping their options open, unlike what Detroit did that one year with Gordon and Charlie V. However even if they got Dwight Howard, that core wouldn't win squat. If you think that would be a viable contender, I won't even argue it.

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                            • Championships
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 205

                              #4979
                              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                              A change of scenery can do a lot positively for players, I think KMart will become a better player because of that fan base in Oklahoma City.

                              The JLamb part of the trade was sort of questionable for Houston, if Lamb becomes a rookie of the year candidate in OKC everyone's going to look back at this trade and have a good laugh.
                              death to molly

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                              • bigeastbumrush
                                My Momma's Son
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 19245

                                #4980
                                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                                Originally posted by Fiasco West
                                If.

                                Could turn out to be a 10th pick or something. Toronto going to be worse than the bobcats, cavs, pistons, wizards, hornets, twolves, blazers, warriors, kings?

                                I'm also pretty sure the guys you named will all be top 3 picks.
                                The only team I think they'll be better than is Charlotte and maybe Washington.

                                And yes, I listed 4 players because one of them will slip.

                                EDIT: and Orlando

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