92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

[jd@os]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Yes I believe Pippen is overrated, sorry, he was great no doubt, but without Jordan I don't see him even making the NBAs 50 greatest players list, Jordan made him, that's just my opinion of course but I've always felt that way..

And pay attention to the little things? If you're supposed to be as great as people want to say Pippen is you shouldn't have to look as deep into the "little things" it should just be obvious, and in his case it never was, to me anyways..

I've always laughed at the "Jordan had Pippen" arguments people make simply because I never saw where Pippen was that great, sure he played good defense but he wasn't the best perimeter defender like everybody wants to say, I don't think he was even as good as MJ in that regard.

I don't post here anymore, but this was enough to bring me out of retirement.

Did you even watch the 1993-1994 NBA season? Pippen finished 3rd in the MVP voting and was actually robbed of the award in the eyes of many. If memory serves me correctly, the Bulls only lost either 2 or 3 more games that season without Jordan solely because of Pippen; the guy showed how good he really was.

And the part I put in bold...if that's the case, the same goes for Kobe Bryant. If the NBA did an updated list of the 50 greatest players, Kobe would surely make it...but Jordan made Bryant as well if you think about it. No he didn't play alongside him like Pippen, but look at Kobe's game: it's a combination of Michael Jordan, MJ, and His Airness. If it wasn't for Jordan, Pippen wouldn't have been that good; but if Jordan never played, Kobe wouldn't be the player he is today either. Jordan influenced a lot of people's games, so that's a moot point about Pippen.

Sorry for getting off topic but I had to respond to that (with all due respect to you Ojandpizza).

[bkrich83]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

There is plenty of IQ on this years team...not sure what you mean

and without looking through the entire thread, I don't think anyone has actually said that the 2012 team would win....but I think there would be some interesting match ups worth discussing...

but nostalgia always shuts down any logical discussion comparing today's game 80s-90s basketball....so I don't think there's much point to the thread either...

Nostalgia is the defense used by everyone who wasn't there and really has no idea what the NBA was all about back then.

And please save me the I've seen NBA Replay or youtube clips. Not the same, not even close. Know what you don't know. That will make you smarter.

[bkrich83]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

I don't buy in to the Pippen was overrated camp. Guy hit clutch shots. He was devastating in the open court, and probably one of the best perimeter defenders who's ever lived.

[sportjames23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Knowledge is being dropped in this thread!

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Nostalgia is the defense used by everyone who wasn't there and really has no idea what the NBA was all about back then.

And please save me the I've seen NBA Replay or youtube clips. Not the same, not even close. Know what you don't know. That will make you smarter.

and this is the standard "everything was better in my day" offense.

someone else will have to "save you that" because I didn't say anything about YouTube....and unless you were on a NBA bench during that time your perspective isn't any better than mine....

[bkrich83]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

and this is the standard "everything was better in my day" offense.

someone else will have to "save you that" because I didn't say anything about YouTube....and unless you were on a NBA bench during that time your perspective isn't any better than mine....

Has nothing to do with my day. It's just the way it is.

NFL is better today than it was then. Imo so is the MLB. College football, scholarship reductions have evened out the playing field. There game is more balanced but the top teams aren't as good as they were then.

It's clear as day. The NBA is crap, and the level of play is crap. It's gotten better, but it's still a terrible product. The nostalgia defense is used by people who don't know any better, but think they do. Simply do not know what they don't know.

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Has nothing to do with my day. It's just the way it is.

NFL is better today than it was then. Imo so is the MLB. College football, scholarship reductions have evened out the playing field. There game is more balanced but the top teams aren't as good as they were then.

It's clear as day. The NBA is crap, and the level of play is crap. It's gotten better, but it's still a terrible product. The nostalgia defense is used by people who don't know any better, but think they do. Simply do not know what they don't know.

So no bench experience then? Cool. So we're watching from the same perspective.

I do agree the NBA isn't what it used to be....but I can also recognize talent when I see it, despite the era....

EDIT: Pippen is ridiculously underrated, seems like he never gets enough props

[sportjames23]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

SMH

Looks like Jim Boeheim done lost his damn mind:

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/2012/08/lebron_james_michael_jordan_best_ever_boeheim.html

[DamnYanks2]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Has nothing to do with my day. It's just the way it is.

NFL is better today than it was then. Imo so is the MLB. College football, scholarship reductions have evened out the playing field. There game is more balanced but the top teams aren't as good as they were then.

It's clear as day. The NBA is crap, and the level of play is crap. It's gotten better, but it's still a terrible product. The nostalgia defense is used by people who don't know any better, but think they do. Simply do not know what they don't know.

I don't see at all how you could say that the NBA is crap. It's better then it has been in years. It has the potential to be an incredible season next year.

[bkrich83]

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I don't see at all how you could say that the NBA is crap. It's better then it has been in years. It has the potential to be an incredible season next year.

Saying it's better than it's been in years is not saying much...

[DamnYanks2]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

SMH

Looks like Jim Boeheim done lost his damn mind:

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangebaske...r_boeheim.html

Lebron has the tools and makeup to become the best player the world has ever seen. I truly believe that.

But he has a long way to go before he's at Jordan's status.

[DamnYanks2]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Saying it's better than it's been in years is not saying much...

I don't get this thinking, How was the NBA so magnificient, compared to today?

Yea I love watching Jordan back in his prime, I love watching old clips on youtube of Magic and Bird. But it's not significantly better then today's game.

This just doesn't make sense to me.

[bkrich83]

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I don't get this thinking, How was the NBA so magnificient, compared to today?

Yea I love watching Jordan back in his prime, I love watching old clips on youtube of Magic and Bird. But it's not significantly better then today's game.

This just doesn't make sense to me.

Were you around then? Did you see it on an every day basis?

Expansion has watered down the league.. 1 and done's and kids nowhere near ready for the NBA from a basketball perspective have affected the product. etc, etc, etc. Style of play is plodding and boring. Flopping, too many iso's resulting in begging for foul calls or a forced 3 ball, etc.

[DamnYanks2]

Re: 92' Dream team vs 2012 USA team

Were you around then? Did you see it on an every day basis?

Expansion has watered down the league.. 1 and done's and kids nowhere near ready for the NBA from a basketball perspective have affected the product. etc, etc, etc. Style of play is plodding and boring. Flopping, too many iso's resulting in begging for foul calls or a forced 3 ball, etc.

Expansion hurts any League. The MLB is full of teams don't deserve to exist either. I agree there are teams like the Raptors that just bring the league down as a whole. So there's extra teams with extra roster spots to fill for garbage players. Yea I get that. And the One and done rule sucks, and it's really watered down the college game. But I'm not sure how it's hurt the nba. Some guys pan out, some don't. Durant, Melo, Rose.

Style of play: That's quite a nitpick. Flopping and arguing calls will always be around, as long as refs give players the Star treatment.

I'm content with the NBA. I feel like people need to appreciate what's in front of their eyes right now. Appreciate watching Lebron, because he's figuring it out. We may be witnessing one of the greatest players, and maybe one day the greatest player to ever play the game.

Appreciate watching the growth of Durant, and the rest of the young stars in the NBA, There's alot to love in the NBA imo

[bkrich83]

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Expansion hurts any League. The MLB is full of teams don't deserve to exist either. I agree there are teams like the Raptors that just bring the league down as a whole. So there's extra teams with extra roster spots to fill for garbage players. Yea I get that. And the One and done rule sucks, and it's really watered down the college game. But I'm not sure how it's hurt the nba. Some guys pan out, some don't. Durant, Melo, Rose.

Style of play: That's quite a nitpick. Flopping and arguing calls will always be around, as long as refs give players the Star treatment.

I'm content with the NBA. I feel like people need to appreciate what's in front of their eyes right now. Appreciate watching Lebron, because he's figuring it out. We may be witnessing one of the greatest players, and maybe one day the greatest player to ever play the game.

Appreciate watching the growth of Durant, and the rest of the young stars in the NBA, There's alot to love in the NBA imo

You didn't answer my question. Where you around in the 80's and early 90's to watch the NBA every day?

Flopping btw, in it's current form has not always been around. Nor has some of the ridiculousness when it comes to begging for fouls.

Style of play is a nitpick? Not sure how.

I don't NEED to appreciate anything. There are plenty of other things out there vying for my entertainment dollars and time. A bad product is not something I really have a lot of time or patience for. While imo the game has indeed improved over the past few years, it's still a bad product.