Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

And all of them left a small market team (which couldn't lure big time FAs to their cities) for a big market team.

Y'all (not necesarily you) are trying hard but Rocky is #winning

I'll ask you this question:

Of the list of players Ex put up, when those players were with their previous teams, how many "big time FA"(because this is subjective)were on the open market?

And to throw this out there, does anyone remember when Eric Gordon wanted to go to Indiana and Phoenix or when Nicolas Batum wanted to leave Portland and go to Minnesota just this past Offseason?

[da ThRONe]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

There are a slew of small market teams who have turned this post upside down all throughout history.

Overpaying though? We're talking about the NBA right?

You make it seem as if it would take a small miracle for a small market team to field a contender. Sheesh.

It does.

Name me some big FA's that signed for market value with a small market/non-glam teams? We are talking about teams which have had some of the games great playing there. Chris Paul, Kevin Garnett, LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Tim Duncan all players of teams that didn't bring in star players via free agency. Yet all players care about is winning.

Wait what?

Spurs have disproven this theory

What are the odds other NBA teams miss out on both Ginobli (57th pick) and Parker (28th Pick)?

They also drafted Louis Scola (55th pick), John Salmons (26th pick), Beno Udrih (28th pick) Goerge Hill (26th pick), Goran Dragic (45th pick), Dejuan Blair (37th pick).

All of these players has or is starting in the NBA right now. They all still hold roster spots and have played significant minutes.

Not a single one of those picks is anywhere close to the lottery.

The Spurs have done a wonders drafting internationally. What they did was money ball like. However this doesn't disprove any of the problems that non-glam teams experiences. All those players are solid players but the thing that made the Spurs true contenders(and champs) were lucking up to get Duncan and drafting Parker and Ginobili. While they derserve all the credit for bringing those two in. Saying that kills my point is super short sighted.

What the Spurs did clearly made them an exception(however well plan and executed on their parts) and not the rule.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

I'll ask you this question:

Of the list of players Ex put up, when those players were with their previous teams, how many "big time FA"(because this is subjective)were on the open market?

And to throw this out there, does anyone remember when Eric Gordon wanted to go to Indiana and Phoenix or when Nicolas Batum wanted to leave Portland and go to Minnesota just this past Offseason?

I can't say for sure about Batum, but PHX was the only team to openly offer Gordon the max deal he wanted. Even we weren't willing to give him that max deal originally. Which will probably cost us in the future, but that's a different subject. So if anything that fits into my point of teams being force to over pay for guys.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Name me some big FA's that signed for market value with a small market/non-glam teams?

Better yet, name me a big FA that signed for a market value contract with any team.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

[JODYE]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Better yet, name me a big FA that signed for a market value contract with any team.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Right, but that wasn't my point. My point was that all of them gave their hearts and souls to their original organizations, for a pretty good amount of years. That's all a city can ask for. It's up to management to supply the talent and coaching around the star.

Rocky is winning? Alright.

True but the bigger markets immediately surrounded them (or already had in place) the talent AND they could give them close to top dollar -- something the smaller markets could not provide. Its either one or the other with the smaller markets.

I'll ask you this question:

Of the list of players Ex put up, when those players were with their previous teams, how many "big time FA"(because this is subjective)were on the open market?

And to throw this out there, does anyone remember when Eric Gordon wanted to go to Indiana and Phoenix or when Nicolas Batum wanted to leave Portland and go to Minnesota just this past Offseason?

Since "big time" is subjective, their is no real reason to dwell on who was big or not. The point being, the biggest FA on the market during those times weren't checking for Cleveland, Orlando, Phoenix and Utah. Who wouldn't want to play with the MVP in Lebron? The MVP in Steve Nash? Future superstar in Deron Williams? Future elite big man in Dwight Howard? Which organization wouldn't want to pair another elite FA with them? They couldn't lure them in because they really can't afford them. Like I said earlier, the Knicks were 74 million dollars OVER the cap last season. The Spurs' TOTAL team salary is only 69 million. How on earth is any of those small market teams going to compete with that?

Small market teams are successful long term wise due to drafting correctly -- FA market is not in their favor. Those guys wanted out because they wanted to market themselves as a player and/or they wanted to go to a team that can spend money to build a team.

Sidenote: I personally believe this system is garbage. Its not really fair at all but you know small market owners won't fight too much since they get a cut of the 'tax' the teams that go over have to pay.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Better yet, name me a big FA that signed for a market value contract with any team.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

With max contract in place every superstar is well below there market value. Other than Kobe who signed his deal before max contracts can into existence.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

With max contract in place every superstar is well below there market value. Other than Kobe who signed his deal before max contracts can into existence.

Well, I can see this can go no where with you, thus I'll bow out of this discussion.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Well, I can see this can go no where with you, thus I'll bow out of this discussion.

Lol but you have failed to answer my question.

Are you telling me that Dwight Howard at 18 million isn't a steal. He's the difference between relevance and non relevance.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Lol but you have failed to answer my question.

Are you telling me that Dwight Howard at 18 million isn't a steal. He's the difference between relevance and non relevance.

In the terms of NBA salaries? No, it's not a steal.

[Money99]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

As an new, outside fan, with no favorite team, I kind of like how there are certain powers you can depend on almost every season.

But I don't think it's the NBA trying to force that. If they were, then we'd see the Knicks and Clippers being far more successful than they have been.

I just started getting interested in basketball the last couple of years and the one thing I love is how I can turn on any game, and I know the stars will shine.

I'm a hockey fan (used to be a one-sport guy; lived and breathed hockey), but my love for that sport has gone down the toilet in recent years.
And one of the reasons is because that sport does everything in it's power to negate skill.
It's not uncommon to watch a superstar get shutout and be invisible for large stretches in games.

[Raider131]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

As an new, outside fan, with no favorite team, I kind of like how there are certain powers you can depend on almost every season.

But I don't think it's the NBA trying to force that. If they were, then we'd see the Knicks and Clippers being far more successful than they have been.

I just started getting interested in basketball the last couple of years and the one thing I love is how I can turn on any game, and I know the stars will shine.

I'm a hockey fan (used to be a one-sport guy; lived and breathed hockey), but my love for that sport has gone down the toilet in recent years.
And one of the reasons is because that sport does everything in it's power to negate skill.
It's not uncommon to watch a superstar get shutout and be invisible for large stretches in games.

I don't think most people mind the Lakers being there every year but it's the fact there's basically no paraody compared to other leagues. We've had 4 teams win like 48 of the 65 championships or something like that. Compared to like Hockey where an 8th seed just won the Stanley Cup, Baseball the Cards almost made the WS when they lost their franchise player and barely made the playoffs. Football the Giants won the SB when they were struggling to make it to 9-7. None of this happens in the NBA and it's mainly due to talent not being sprinkled around the league balancing out the teams which lead to top half of conferences being powerful and the lower half being a lil above average but still no chance to beat the upper teams in a 7 game series the East for years now has been this way

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Since "big time" is subjective, their is no real reason to dwell on who was big or not. The point being, the biggest FA on the market during those times weren't checking for Cleveland, Orlando, Phoenix and Utah. Who wouldn't want to play with the MVP in Lebron? The MVP in Steve Nash? Future superstar in Deron Williams? Future elite big man in Dwight Howard? Which organization wouldn't want to pair another elite FA with them? They couldn't lure them in because they really can't afford them. Like I said earlier, the Knicks were 74 million dollars OVER the cap last season. The Spurs' TOTAL team salary is only 69 million. How on earth is any of those small market teams going to compete with that?

Small market teams are successful long term wise due to drafting correctly -- FA market is not in their favor. Those guys wanted out because they wanted to market themselves as a player and/or they wanted to go to a team that can spend money to build a team.

Sidenote: I personally believe this system is garbage. Its not really fair at all but you know small market owners won't fight too much since they get a cut of the 'tax' the teams that go over have to pay.

Let's break down each of these teams one by one:

Cleveland-When Lebron was there(and OSU can correct me on this)but money wasn't an issue when it came to Dan Gilbert trying to improve his team and do whatever it took to keep Lebron there. We all know the moves they made and attempted to make while he was there so money wasn't an issue there.

Phoenix-Everybody knew that Robert Sarver was a cheapskate, penny pinching owner for the most part even when he has Nash there. Even when they had PLENTY of cap space to afford any FA, he wasn't willing to spend.

Orlando: Did they not sign Rashard Lewis(who at the time of his FA was probably the biggest name in FA)to pair with future elite big man Dwight Howard? Money wasn't an issue there but if anything it almost became a detriment to them because they were wasting it on average-mediocre players which then almost became unmovable contracts. Same situation in Cleveland as well when Lebron was there.

Utah: Can't even argue that one because even Deron said it was hard to attract any kind of impact FA to come there.

So I'll give you Utah, but the other 3 teams, they either had the money but refused to spend it or they had the money and shown people that they were willing to spend so it wasn't a matter of those teams not being able to afford FA.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Yeah, in fact, Cleveland has always been fairly good in the FA market in basketball. The problem was, in 2005, when they had a ton of cap space, LeBron was putting pressure on the organization to improve now. So they signed guys like Damon Jones, who had come off a good year in Miami, and Donyell Marshall and of course the biggest *in multiple ways* one of all, Larry Hughes.

So no, money has never been and never will be a problem with the Cavs. Chris Bosh said had LeBron told him to come to Cleveland, he would have come. So it's not like we are totally unattractive either.

There may be a few places that are really hard to attract free agents *Milwaukee, Utah are the biggest two that come to mind right now* but most of the time, if you have the money, you can get the player.

[LoSoisNiCEx414]

Re: Something has to be done to shift the power in the NBA

Some teams drafy like shi.
As a Bucks fan some of our lottery picks are awful. Besides Jennings & now Henson. I havent liked our lottery picks. Yi(Wow), Joe Alexander (huh)
Bogut was #1 and was pretty good but the injuries. Took him over CP3,D.Will,etc (doesnt mean they would still be here)
But I think we can turn it around. Fans here are excited for the season. Just got a new 6 yr lease for the BMO Harris Bradley Center. Owner Herb & city are planning to have a new arena built buy then.
I believe Jennings resignes. Ellis will leave (i think)
Jennings,Harris,Lamb,Henson,Ilyasova could all improve so future looks bright for Milwaukee basketball.

Hey after those 6 years Kobe will be retired,Wade might be or about to, Lebron may slow down at 34,lol) OKC might break up, the NBA will be wide open again (lol)