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  • iLLosophy
    Plata o Plomo
    • Sep 2005
    • 3673

    #166
    Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

    Originally posted by Sportsforever
    Your JayZ example is a bad one, IMO, because when I buy a ticket to see JayZ, that is who I expect to see. If I buy a ticket to see the Spurs, all I can expect is to see the Spurs play whoever is on the schedule. As far as I can tell, everyone who went to that game saw the Spurs play the Heat, and saw a good game to boot.
    Fine, a Watch the Throne tour? Technicalities, man c'mon.

    You are technically correct, but the manner in which he did it, I don't see how the league could not respond to it. I just don't see why this is shocking. The NBA is anything but fair and they run by their own rules (and make them up along the way).

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    • Sportsforever
      NL MVP
      • Mar 2005
      • 20368

      #167
      Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

      Originally posted by iLLosophy
      Fine, a Watch the Throne tour? Technicalities, man c'mon.

      You are technically correct, but the manner in which he did it, I don't see how the league could not respond to it. I just don't see why this is shocking. The NBA is anything but fair and they run by their own rules (and make them up along the way).
      So what if he had started the guys and pulled them out at the first stoppage and let them have the rest of the night off? I don't see how we think it's okay to regulate when/how a team chooses who plays/who doesn't, regardless of ratings. You know what; if the league promotes good, solid team basketball instead of individuals and personalities, it wouldn't matter who is playing.
      "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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      • iLLosophy
        Plata o Plomo
        • Sep 2005
        • 3673

        #168
        Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

        Originally posted by Sportsforever
        So what if he had started the guys and pulled them out at the first stoppage and let them have the rest of the night off? I don't see how we think it's okay to regulate when/how a team chooses who plays/who doesn't, regardless of ratings. You know what; if the league promotes good, solid team basketball instead of individuals and personalities, it wouldn't matter who is playing.
        As a fan of the game of basketball, I 100% agree with you.

        But from a business perspective, pop is messing with cash flow, and he's doing it while holding his crotch.

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        • 23
          yellow
          • Sep 2002
          • 66469

          #169
          Best business would be to promote his teams then peipke would know who guys like patty mills is who also,played in the olympics

          A hot grizzlies team is doing wonderful yet again but you haven't heard anything if at all about them from the nba have you?

          Case in point

          Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2

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          • PrettyT11
            MVP
            • Jul 2008
            • 3220

            #170
            Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

            Originally posted by Sportsforever
            Not so. Teams often rest the majority of their lineups at some point in the week. The Braves, for example, will run out almost their entire backups on Sunday, leaving only 1 or 2 starters in the lineup.
            This is far from being anything close to true. The Braves played 26 games on Sunday last year. Just to start Heyward, Bourn, Prado, and Uggla missed a combined 26 games the entire year. Uggla played in 24 of those 26 Sunday games and started and finished 23 of those. Heyward played in 25 of those 26 Sunday games and started and finished 24. Prado and bourn both started and finished 25 of the 26 Sunday games. So clearly what you are saying isn't true.

            I didn't put Chipper and McCann in the count because they both spent time on the DL and didn't feel like comparing the days the was on the DL with the dates of the Sunday games but just knowing how many games the outfielders played alone I knew I didn't need to.

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            • Sportsforever
              NL MVP
              • Mar 2005
              • 20368

              #171
              Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

              Originally posted by PrettyT11
              This is far from being anything close to true. The Braves played 26 games on Sunday last year. Just to start Heyward, Bourn, Prado, and Uggla missed a combined 26 games the entire year. Uggla played in 24 of those 26 Sunday games and started and finished 23 of those. Heyward played in 25 of those 26 Sunday games and started and finished 24. Prado and bourn both started and finished 25 of the 26 Sunday games. So clearly what you are saying isn't true.

              I didn't put Chipper and McCann in the count because they both spent time on the DL and didn't feel like comparing the days the was on the DL with the dates of the Sunday games but just knowing how many games the outfielders played alone I knew I didn't need to.
              I just went and checked....yes, 2 starters starting was a bit of a stretch. Routinely the Braves would start 4 bench players on Sunday and 4 starters (not including the SP of course). My point is, MLB teams, while they could stretch it out over the year, routinely have games with mass rest for starters.
              "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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              • PrettyT11
                MVP
                • Jul 2008
                • 3220

                #172
                Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

                Originally posted by Sportsforever
                I just went and checked....yes, 2 starters starting was a bit of a stretch. Routinely the Braves would start 4 bench players on Sunday and 4 starters (not including the SP of course). My point is, MLB teams, while they could stretch it out over the year, routinely have games with mass rest for starters.
                They do give guys healthy days off but not all the best guys at the same time. A team isn't going to sit the entire outfield or infield for a game. But aside from that a direct comparison between MLB and NBA in this regard isn't the greatest seeing as how MLB's teams play twice as many games as the NBA.

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                • elprez98
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 4237

                  #173
                  Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

                  Isn't losing the game a big enough deterrent to resting players? I do not understand the reasoning behind this decision. Hell I could see if Miami just destroyed the backups and the game wasn't good, but it was a close game. You know I was really considering getting NBA TV on a month to month basis, but I think my money is better spent on Fox Soccer.
                  Originally posted by My Wife
                  "The Celtics only won because they have a magical elf playing for their team...."

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                  • PrettyT11
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 3220

                    #174
                    Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

                    A couple of other things. I forgot to mention it in my first post but another thing people are missing is I promise you Stern had a bigger problem with Pop not even having the guys show up at the arena. Sitting the guys on the bench and having the available is better than telling them to go home and not even show up. That looks different in many eyes.

                    Also come on guys yes the NBA is a star driven league but so is the other two major pro sports in America. The NBA stands out more cause there is less guys on the court/field at a time and one guy can have a far bigger impact but let's not act like the offensive linemen or middle relievers are doing NFL and MLB commercials. You see the big names doing the TV spots for those leagues as well. In fact when they do commercials for a tv game for any league they say "insert star player here" and the "team name here" vs the "star player here" and the "team name here". That is putting the individual before the team. Think it is a fluke chance that the Colts where national tv games many times a year in years past and only once this year?? Do you think they don't put the Royals and Mariners of the world on tv just cause they don't like them?? Point is stars in all sports drive the market and always will. That's why teams like the A's got no love this year while the two teams that finished behind them got all the spotlight.
                    Last edited by PrettyT11; 12-01-2012, 04:23 PM.

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                    • PrettyT11
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3220

                      #175
                      Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

                      Also people don't remember but the NFL had this problem a couple of years ago with fans complaining that teams was sitting guys at the end of the year and they paid to see the stars. The NFL in response said they was going to work the shedule to have it where more divisional games and better games are put at the end of the shedule. Now teams still do it but not as much as before and there is less complaining.

                      In the NBA case Pop is the only guy doing this during the middle and in this case beginning of the year. Stern felt he had to do something to keep this from becoming common and that is within his power. Again I'm not saying he is right in doing so but from a business standpoint I certainly see why he did it right or wrong.

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                      • dramachild11
                        Pro
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 888

                        #176
                        Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

                        Take sterns reasoning step by step
                        1)disservice to the fans.... It's Miami David, the freaking fans don't show up until the end of the 1st freaking quarter no matter who the opponent is, oh and by the way the game literally came down to final 50 seconds (so whether in person or watching on Tv fans were entertained)
                        2)Not enough notice given to the league or heat..... For Miami it was a pleasant surprise and as for the league, the players weren't injured so why would they need to file a freaking report?!!
                        If stern were honest he'd just say "look pop your costing us some $$$$ by doing this an please next time your pissed about the schedule before the season starts just let us know and we'll work with u"

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                        • wwharton
                          *ll St*r
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 26949

                          #177
                          Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

                          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                          1. Players aren't simply going to go hard every night, even if you shorten the schedule. We just had a 66 game schedule last year, where everything was basically packed in and you still has cases of players "coasting" thru some games.

                          2. 16 games is an entire season now? Or does it seem like it because the League decides to schedule 2-3 in between games, causing the 1st rd to take as long as 2-3 weeks to do(last year being the exception obviously)?
                          1. That 66 game schedule was actually even harder on the players than the normal schedule. I'm talking about a schedule that actually gives the players enough time to rest so "stars" in their 30's get adequate rest during the normal flow of the season. They do that and we don't have this issue, but that would mean less opportunity for ad and gate dollars... that's what I mean.

                          The rest is speculative, you never know unless the schedule actually changed, but it's not a bad assumption that if guys felt they could go 100% and get enough rest we'd see more guys going 100% every game during the regular season.

                          2. lol, you know that was an exaggeration about the playoffs being long as hell... and for the same reason; ad and gate dollars.

                          Originally posted by PrettyT11
                          Also people don't remember but the NFL had this problem a couple of years ago with fans complaining that teams was sitting guys at the end of the year and they paid to see the stars. The NFL in response said they was going to work the shedule to have it where more divisional games and better games are put at the end of the shedule. Now teams still do it but not as much as before and there is less complaining.

                          In the NBA case Pop is the only guy doing this during the middle and in this case beginning of the year. Stern felt he had to do something to keep this from becoming common and that is within his power. Again I'm not saying he is right in doing so but from a business standpoint I certainly see why he did it right or wrong.
                          This is tied to my response to #1 above. The NFL felt it was legit problem so they adjusted the schedule to improve the situation. They didn't fine the coaches who sat their players $250K, berate them to the media or claim they should've notified the media or their upcoming opponent of their plans to sit players. They recognized that teams were finding a way to deal with the grueling schedule by taking advantage of what was available. That's what Pop did. The NFL is trying to take away that opportunity created by their people, not buy digging in the pockets of the teams.

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                          • ProfessaPackMan
                            Bamma
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 63852

                            #178
                            Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

                            The NFL in response said they was going to work the shedule to have it where more divisional games and better games are put at the end of the shedule. Now teams still do it but not as much as before and there is less complaining.
                            Teams still do it as much they used, the only difference is(as usual)people got used to it and now you don't hear much complaints.

                            I promise you Stern had a bigger problem with Pop not even having the guys show up at the arena. Sitting the guys on the bench and having the available is better than telling them to go home and not even show up. That looks different in many eyes.
                            So basically, he would still be pissed(athough less pissed but still pissed)if they still didn't play but were on the bench, correct?

                            but let's not act like the offensive linemen or middle relievers are doing NFL and MLB commercials.
                            Spoiler


                            I'd rather Stern just tell us, he didn't like Pop doing that on a National TV game and that he would let it slide if he were playing against the Magic or the Wizards or the Kings or the Pistons, like he usually has, as opposed to feeding us some BS about them "Not letting the Heat know in a timely manner" and bringing up the fact that it was "their only trip to Miami this year".
                            #RespectTheCulture

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                            • wwharton
                              *ll St*r
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 26949

                              #179
                              Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

                              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                              Teams still do it as much they used, the only difference is(as usual)people got used to it and now you don't hear much complaints.


                              So basically, he would still be pissed(athough less pissed but still pissed)if they still didn't play but were on the bench, correct?


                              Spoiler


                              I'd rather Stern just tell us, he didn't like Pop doing that on a National TV game and that he would let it slide if he were playing against the Magic or the Wizards or the Kings or the Pistons, like he usually has, as opposed to feeding us some BS about them "Not letting the Heat know in a timely manner" and bringing up the fact that it was "their only trip to Miami this year".
                              Thanks you for not posting any of Ogden's commercials (I know you've seen them when you were living down this way).

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                              • da ThRONe
                                Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 8528

                                #180
                                Re: San Antonio Spurs to Receive Sanctions for Resting Players

                                Yeah I don't get this whole disservice thing. That could just as easily go the other way from the league to the Spurs. Where's the service in the scheduling?
                                You looking at the Chair MAN!

                                Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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