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  • jordan0386
    Banned
    • May 2003
    • 9235

    #16
    Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

    who knows...we will see...the boy is impressive though...

    where is that overated thing some jackasses were talking about now

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    • dieselboy
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      • Dec 2002
      • 18040

      #17
      Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

      All on LBJ's jock.

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      • dieselboy
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        • Dec 2002
        • 18040

        #18
        Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

        All on LBJ's jock.

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        • dieselboy
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          • Dec 2002
          • 18040

          #19
          Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

          All on LBJ's jock.

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          • Tha_Kid
            All Star
            • Oct 2002
            • 6550

            #20
            Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            HMcCoy said:
            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            BigMike said:
            Past 10 games, yeah LeBron has been great, but you cant just call him the best basketball player in the east. You could say hes playing the best ball, but not the best baller. I mean look at the stats. McGrady and Pierce both average more points, boards than 'Bron, and similar assists. Bron also gets more minutes a game. And lets not forget the head to heads. Both Pierce and Mcgrady dropped 41 on the Cavs and won close games for their respective teams.

            Pierce
            PPG 23.8
            RPG 7.4
            APG 6.0
            SPG 1.65
            BPG .84
            FG% .421
            FT% .853
            3P% .348
            MPG 38.7

            LeBron
            PPG 20.2
            RPG 5.9
            APG 6.1
            SPG 1.58
            BPG .74
            FG% .426
            FT% .773
            3P% .311
            MPG 40.2

            McGrady
            PPG 25.2
            RPG 6.7
            APG 5.9
            SPG 1.23
            BPG .83
            FG% .414
            FT% .821
            3P% .332
            MPG 40.0

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


            Point Guard, different roles. LB is putting up these numbers while completely initiating and directing the offense. PP and Mac are premier scorers but PG is a whole different animal. Making sure everybody is where they're supposed to be, controlling the tempo, etc...Also, if LB had been playing like he has (without Davis) for this whole season, he'd have more ppg than Mac and Pierce while shooting close to 50%.


            From the point.


            The position he plays is more demanding, any coach would agree. Could PP or Mack be as effective as Bron at the point? Maybe, but doubtful. Scorers rack up assists drawing the D. Decent assist #'s don't mean a player could effectively control the flow of a game and set up teammates the way LB does.

            Bottom line, Elliot is a little pre-mature. Mack, Pierce, AI and Carter are all elite players in this league and LB is still a little behind, but how many years before he's league MVP material? 2 years tops. LB has the potential to avg a triple-double.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            Point taken. But if you watch the celtics this year (or recent years) you can see PP does initiate all of the offense. PGs in Boston dont get many assists because they are mainly set shooters following dribble penetration from PP. McGrady and Magic struggled because they didnt have a real PG to initiate offense so you are right on that front. But PP is PG in every way but title for the Celts. He has to control the game and set up teammates, and he leads the league in turnovers to show that he might not be as good as 'Bron at managing the game. Bron isn't far behind him in TOs though.
            Lebron couldnt shoot 50% off the ball. Yeah, his shot is much better than we thought but dont get carried away. Im pretty sure Peja is the only major perimeter player shooting FG 50% or more.

            You dont really believe Bron could play like he has since the davis trade for a whole season, do you? He'll cool off by All Star Break, but this run has basically guaranteed his ROY award (unless Melo manages to finish over 20 PPG and the Nuggets reach playoffs)

            Personally, I think the whole avg. a triple double thing is a crock of bull. He'll prolly break Magic's record for most in a career, but getting those numbers night in night out?? We'll see.

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            • Tha_Kid
              All Star
              • Oct 2002
              • 6550

              #21
              Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              HMcCoy said:
              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              BigMike said:
              Past 10 games, yeah LeBron has been great, but you cant just call him the best basketball player in the east. You could say hes playing the best ball, but not the best baller. I mean look at the stats. McGrady and Pierce both average more points, boards than 'Bron, and similar assists. Bron also gets more minutes a game. And lets not forget the head to heads. Both Pierce and Mcgrady dropped 41 on the Cavs and won close games for their respective teams.

              Pierce
              PPG 23.8
              RPG 7.4
              APG 6.0
              SPG 1.65
              BPG .84
              FG% .421
              FT% .853
              3P% .348
              MPG 38.7

              LeBron
              PPG 20.2
              RPG 5.9
              APG 6.1
              SPG 1.58
              BPG .74
              FG% .426
              FT% .773
              3P% .311
              MPG 40.2

              McGrady
              PPG 25.2
              RPG 6.7
              APG 5.9
              SPG 1.23
              BPG .83
              FG% .414
              FT% .821
              3P% .332
              MPG 40.0

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


              Point Guard, different roles. LB is putting up these numbers while completely initiating and directing the offense. PP and Mac are premier scorers but PG is a whole different animal. Making sure everybody is where they're supposed to be, controlling the tempo, etc...Also, if LB had been playing like he has (without Davis) for this whole season, he'd have more ppg than Mac and Pierce while shooting close to 50%.


              From the point.


              The position he plays is more demanding, any coach would agree. Could PP or Mack be as effective as Bron at the point? Maybe, but doubtful. Scorers rack up assists drawing the D. Decent assist #'s don't mean a player could effectively control the flow of a game and set up teammates the way LB does.

              Bottom line, Elliot is a little pre-mature. Mack, Pierce, AI and Carter are all elite players in this league and LB is still a little behind, but how many years before he's league MVP material? 2 years tops. LB has the potential to avg a triple-double.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              Point taken. But if you watch the celtics this year (or recent years) you can see PP does initiate all of the offense. PGs in Boston dont get many assists because they are mainly set shooters following dribble penetration from PP. McGrady and Magic struggled because they didnt have a real PG to initiate offense so you are right on that front. But PP is PG in every way but title for the Celts. He has to control the game and set up teammates, and he leads the league in turnovers to show that he might not be as good as 'Bron at managing the game. Bron isn't far behind him in TOs though.
              Lebron couldnt shoot 50% off the ball. Yeah, his shot is much better than we thought but dont get carried away. Im pretty sure Peja is the only major perimeter player shooting FG 50% or more.

              You dont really believe Bron could play like he has since the davis trade for a whole season, do you? He'll cool off by All Star Break, but this run has basically guaranteed his ROY award (unless Melo manages to finish over 20 PPG and the Nuggets reach playoffs)

              Personally, I think the whole avg. a triple double thing is a crock of bull. He'll prolly break Magic's record for most in a career, but getting those numbers night in night out?? We'll see.

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              • Tha_Kid
                All Star
                • Oct 2002
                • 6550

                #22
                Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                HMcCoy said:
                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                BigMike said:
                Past 10 games, yeah LeBron has been great, but you cant just call him the best basketball player in the east. You could say hes playing the best ball, but not the best baller. I mean look at the stats. McGrady and Pierce both average more points, boards than 'Bron, and similar assists. Bron also gets more minutes a game. And lets not forget the head to heads. Both Pierce and Mcgrady dropped 41 on the Cavs and won close games for their respective teams.

                Pierce
                PPG 23.8
                RPG 7.4
                APG 6.0
                SPG 1.65
                BPG .84
                FG% .421
                FT% .853
                3P% .348
                MPG 38.7

                LeBron
                PPG 20.2
                RPG 5.9
                APG 6.1
                SPG 1.58
                BPG .74
                FG% .426
                FT% .773
                3P% .311
                MPG 40.2

                McGrady
                PPG 25.2
                RPG 6.7
                APG 5.9
                SPG 1.23
                BPG .83
                FG% .414
                FT% .821
                3P% .332
                MPG 40.0

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


                Point Guard, different roles. LB is putting up these numbers while completely initiating and directing the offense. PP and Mac are premier scorers but PG is a whole different animal. Making sure everybody is where they're supposed to be, controlling the tempo, etc...Also, if LB had been playing like he has (without Davis) for this whole season, he'd have more ppg than Mac and Pierce while shooting close to 50%.


                From the point.


                The position he plays is more demanding, any coach would agree. Could PP or Mack be as effective as Bron at the point? Maybe, but doubtful. Scorers rack up assists drawing the D. Decent assist #'s don't mean a player could effectively control the flow of a game and set up teammates the way LB does.

                Bottom line, Elliot is a little pre-mature. Mack, Pierce, AI and Carter are all elite players in this league and LB is still a little behind, but how many years before he's league MVP material? 2 years tops. LB has the potential to avg a triple-double.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                Point taken. But if you watch the celtics this year (or recent years) you can see PP does initiate all of the offense. PGs in Boston dont get many assists because they are mainly set shooters following dribble penetration from PP. McGrady and Magic struggled because they didnt have a real PG to initiate offense so you are right on that front. But PP is PG in every way but title for the Celts. He has to control the game and set up teammates, and he leads the league in turnovers to show that he might not be as good as 'Bron at managing the game. Bron isn't far behind him in TOs though.
                Lebron couldnt shoot 50% off the ball. Yeah, his shot is much better than we thought but dont get carried away. Im pretty sure Peja is the only major perimeter player shooting FG 50% or more.

                You dont really believe Bron could play like he has since the davis trade for a whole season, do you? He'll cool off by All Star Break, but this run has basically guaranteed his ROY award (unless Melo manages to finish over 20 PPG and the Nuggets reach playoffs)

                Personally, I think the whole avg. a triple double thing is a crock of bull. He'll prolly break Magic's record for most in a career, but getting those numbers night in night out?? We'll see.

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                • blazersin2k3
                  Pro
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 402

                  #23
                  Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

                  Im afraid that Lebron might be raped by Sean Elliot.

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                  • blazersin2k3
                    Pro
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 402

                    #24
                    Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

                    Im afraid that Lebron might be raped by Sean Elliot.

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                    • blazersin2k3
                      Pro
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 402

                      #25
                      Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

                      Im afraid that Lebron might be raped by Sean Elliot.

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                      • HMcCoy
                        All Star
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8212

                        #26
                        Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        BigMike said:
                        Point taken. But if you watch the celtics this year (or recent years) you can see PP does initiate all of the offense. PGs in Boston dont get many assists because they are mainly set shooters following dribble penetration from PP. McGrady and Magic struggled because they didnt have a real PG to initiate offense so you are right on that front. But PP is PG in every way but title for the Celts. He has to control the game and set up teammates, and he leads the league in turnovers to show that he might not be as good as 'Bron at managing the game. Bron isn't far behind him in TOs though.
                        Lebron couldnt shoot 50% off the ball. Yeah, his shot is much better than we thought but dont get carried away. Im pretty sure Peja is the only major perimeter player shooting FG 50% or more.

                        You dont really believe Bron could play like he has since the davis trade for a whole season, do you? He'll cool off by All Star Break, but this run has basically guaranteed his ROY award (unless Melo manages to finish over 20 PPG and the Nuggets reach playoffs)

                        Personally, I think the whole avg. a triple double thing is a crock of bull. He'll prolly break Magic's record for most in a career, but getting those numbers night in night out?? We'll see.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        Good points. PP is my favorite non-Cav. I love his game...

                        In the 2 games I watched, (Tim)James brought the ball up most of the time, and the bringer-upper usually controls the tempo, but I do agree witcha' that the offense starts with PP. The one area I think the C's miss Walker the most is that he initiated the offense which allowed the Celt's to set more screens for Pierce. He seemed to have better iso space last season...

                        LB is shooting 47% through the hot streak, but you're right. He prolly couldn't keep that up for a whole season. Yet.
                        Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                        • HMcCoy
                          All Star
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 8212

                          #27
                          Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          BigMike said:
                          Point taken. But if you watch the celtics this year (or recent years) you can see PP does initiate all of the offense. PGs in Boston dont get many assists because they are mainly set shooters following dribble penetration from PP. McGrady and Magic struggled because they didnt have a real PG to initiate offense so you are right on that front. But PP is PG in every way but title for the Celts. He has to control the game and set up teammates, and he leads the league in turnovers to show that he might not be as good as 'Bron at managing the game. Bron isn't far behind him in TOs though.
                          Lebron couldnt shoot 50% off the ball. Yeah, his shot is much better than we thought but dont get carried away. Im pretty sure Peja is the only major perimeter player shooting FG 50% or more.

                          You dont really believe Bron could play like he has since the davis trade for a whole season, do you? He'll cool off by All Star Break, but this run has basically guaranteed his ROY award (unless Melo manages to finish over 20 PPG and the Nuggets reach playoffs)

                          Personally, I think the whole avg. a triple double thing is a crock of bull. He'll prolly break Magic's record for most in a career, but getting those numbers night in night out?? We'll see.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          Good points. PP is my favorite non-Cav. I love his game...

                          In the 2 games I watched, (Tim)James brought the ball up most of the time, and the bringer-upper usually controls the tempo, but I do agree witcha' that the offense starts with PP. The one area I think the C's miss Walker the most is that he initiated the offense which allowed the Celt's to set more screens for Pierce. He seemed to have better iso space last season...

                          LB is shooting 47% through the hot streak, but you're right. He prolly couldn't keep that up for a whole season. Yet.
                          Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                          • HMcCoy
                            All Star
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 8212

                            #28
                            Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            BigMike said:
                            Point taken. But if you watch the celtics this year (or recent years) you can see PP does initiate all of the offense. PGs in Boston dont get many assists because they are mainly set shooters following dribble penetration from PP. McGrady and Magic struggled because they didnt have a real PG to initiate offense so you are right on that front. But PP is PG in every way but title for the Celts. He has to control the game and set up teammates, and he leads the league in turnovers to show that he might not be as good as 'Bron at managing the game. Bron isn't far behind him in TOs though.
                            Lebron couldnt shoot 50% off the ball. Yeah, his shot is much better than we thought but dont get carried away. Im pretty sure Peja is the only major perimeter player shooting FG 50% or more.

                            You dont really believe Bron could play like he has since the davis trade for a whole season, do you? He'll cool off by All Star Break, but this run has basically guaranteed his ROY award (unless Melo manages to finish over 20 PPG and the Nuggets reach playoffs)

                            Personally, I think the whole avg. a triple double thing is a crock of bull. He'll prolly break Magic's record for most in a career, but getting those numbers night in night out?? We'll see.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Good points. PP is my favorite non-Cav. I love his game...

                            In the 2 games I watched, (Tim)James brought the ball up most of the time, and the bringer-upper usually controls the tempo, but I do agree witcha' that the offense starts with PP. The one area I think the C's miss Walker the most is that he initiated the offense which allowed the Celt's to set more screens for Pierce. He seemed to have better iso space last season...

                            LB is shooting 47% through the hot streak, but you're right. He prolly couldn't keep that up for a whole season. Yet.
                            Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                            • EWRMETS
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 7491

                              #29
                              Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

                              10 players better then LeBron in the East...Jason Kidd, Jermaine O'Neil, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Baron Davis...oh well 7 players better then LeBron.

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                              • EWRMETS
                                All Star
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 7491

                                #30
                                Re: Sean Elliot on NBA Fastbreak Sunday Night:

                                10 players better then LeBron in the East...Jason Kidd, Jermaine O'Neil, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Baron Davis...oh well 7 players better then LeBron.

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