Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

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Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

I don't have to, and that's the point. He's a professional athlete, I'm within my rights to criticize him. If it bothers you then you know what you have to do.


I kind of agree with this but it wasn't apparent that He had this type of potential early on. If so He probably would've been drafted in the top 3 don't you think?

I think Teams Were hesitant to draft him because He was raw and the fact that he was coming out of high school. Both the Celtics and Nets worked him out at one point so It was very possible that he could have went in the top 8.

[OkayC]

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My short input.

Dwade took his stregnths and worked on them even further

Kobe worked to get better at everything, things he was good at, things he was bad at, he got better at all of it.

Long input.

Dwade is a great player, but prime dwade and prime kobe don't quite compare to me. now i put both of them in the top 5 players of the last 10years, but i think offensively kobe was a serious force, dwade didn't have as many offensive weapons, but took more effecient shots. Plus on ball kobe was a better defender, and TO ME thats SLIGHTLY more important than off ball defense.

the only thing that pushes kobe way over the top for me is his black mamba mode. when kobe gets into this mode any and every shot falls for him simply because of his willingness to win. Only your greatest players in the game have this complete will to win(jordan, lebron, iverson, heck i even seen melo flash this ability at times). I know this seems silly but its the truth.

[d11king]

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I think Teams Were hesitant to draft him because He was raw and the fact that he was coming out of high school. Both the Celtics and Nets worked him out at one point so It was very possible that he could have went in the top 8.

I read somewhere Callipari was going to take him (Nets) but when Kobe's agent or whatever found out that memory's a bit fuzzy, so bare with me he could end up on the Lakers, his agent was telling Callipari not to draft Kobe, saying ish like he may end up going to college after all. It was in the LA Times earlier this season I believe, I'll look for it.

[TajDeni]

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I kind of agree with this but it wasn't apparent that He had this type of potential early on. If so He probably would've been drafted in the top 3 don't you think?

the thing that you have to remeber is that most execs are always hesitant about what theyve never seen accomplished b4.

b4 garnett made the jump, there simply were not alot of high school players even attempting to make the jump str8t to the pros.

and out of the very few that did b4 garnett, including garnett, all of them were bigmen.

that means that kobe was the first ever perimeter player to make the jump from high school to the pros. the main concern at the time was whether or not a perimeter player was physically strong enough to play with grown men. and so there was a level of hesitation.

remember kobe was the #1 high school player in the nation. that doesnt mean he'll be one of the greatest but it does means that in his class he is projected to have the best chance of being great.

imo if kobe goes to college, he is the #1 pick in the draft or at worst #2 depending on if he came out the same yr as duncan.

either way kobe only slipped because what he was attempting to do at the time was unprecedented in ''96/'97.

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[TajDeni]

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I read somewhere Callipari was going to take him (Nets) but when Kobe's agent or whatever found out that memory's a bit fuzzy, so bare with me he could end up on the Lakers, his agent was telling Callipari not to draft Kobe, saying ish like he may end up going to college after all. It was in the LA Times earlier this season I believe, I'll look for it.

plus jerry west said that kobe had the best pre-draft work out he had ever personally conducted. however many yrs that stretches back to.

the bottom line to all this is that in reality kobe only really had a chance to play for 1 team. once the lakers got whiff of him, they were going for him by any means necessary and thats just what they did. they did what they had to do to get him b4 anybody else got him.

[Caveman24]

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Kobe could've went top 10 his agent yanked him from workouts and told everyone dont draft him. He wanted to play for the Lakers. Something like this would never happen today.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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plus jerry west said that kobe had the best pre-draft work out he had ever personally conducted. however many yrs that stretches back to.

the bottom line to all this is that in reality kobe only really had a chance to play for 1 team. once the lakers got whiff of him, they were going for him by any means necessary and thats just what they did. they did what they had to do to get him b4 anybody else got him.

During Bryant’s senior year, Nash scouted Kerry Kittles at Villanova practices and then watched Kobe play about five miles away. At the end of the season, Nash was let go by Washington, but then hired by John Calipari, who had just joined the Nets as coach and president.
“I started there about two weeks before the ’96 draft and Kobe had already worked out for them twice,” Nash said. “I was delighted to learn Calipari really liked him. I echoed John’s feelings and we arranged to bring him in a third time, which sealed the deal.”
The draft that year was at the Meadowlands, and on the night before, Nash and Calipari had dinner with Joe and Pam Bryant.
“John asked Joe what he expected for his son,” Nash said. “He said he thought Kobe would start as a rookie and be an All Star in his second season.”
Bryant, who supplanted O’Neal earlier this week as the fifth highest scorer in NBA history, started by the end of his rookie year (7.6 points, 41.7 field goal percentage) and made the All-Star team the next year when he more or less doubled his minutes (2,000) and scoring average (15.4).
“We went to bed that night determined to select Kobe with the eighth pick,” Nash said.
The next day, Calipari and Nash had lunch with Nets owner Joe Taub. He expressed concern about taking a high school kid.
“In John’s defense,” Nash noted, “Garnett had been the only high school player taken in almost 20 years and he had a modest rookie season (80 games, averaged 10.4 and 6.3 rebounds).
“Nevertheless, we arrived back at the office around 2 p.m. still planning to select Kobe,” Nash said. “Calipari had final say and although Joe Taub had been instrumental in bringing John to New Jersey, Kobe was still the choice. That’s when the spit hit the fan.
“Kobe’s representative called me. Even though Arn Tellem had been excited to know we were going to select his client, he now claimed Kobe did not want to be in Jersey and might not sign. I knew he was bluffing about signing. He had already renounced his collegiate eligibility by hiring an agent and Europe was no longer paying big money.
“At the same time, Kobe placed a call to Calipari and basically said the same thing,” Nash continued. “Why the sudden change of heart? I told John I believed someone behind us was angling to get Kobe. West previously offered us Vlade for No. 8. In the meantime, David Falk, who represented Kittles, had become aware of the situation and he called Calipari and pressured him to select his client.
“Calipari was concerned Falk would hold a grudge if we passed over Kittles. By 6 p.m., I had learned a deal had been arranged between L.A. and Charlotte involving Vlade and Kobe. I still lobbied hard to stay the course, but the combination of Joe Taub, Kobe, Falk and Tellem had worn away Calipari’s resolve. It was a tough spot for a rookie coach and top decision maker.”
At the owners’ dinner, just minutes away from the draft, Calipari announced Kittles would be the choice if he was still on the board. If not, it would be Bryant. Nash knew it was over.
The first seven positions already were padlocked in place: Allen Iverson (76ers; GM Brad Greenberg), Marcus Camby (Raptors; Isiah Thomas), Shareef Abdur-Rahim (Grizzlies; Stu Jackson), Stephon Marbury (Bucks; Ernie Grunfeld), Ray Allen (Timberwolves; McHale), Antoine Walker (Celtics; Rick Pitino), Lorenzen Wright (Clippers; Elgin Baylor).
Still, “What a deflating day!” he lamented 16 years later.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/net_loss_laker_gain_D7w5choF0TMzb9FugpIeBK/1

[Sportsbuck]

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Kobe loves trolling Charlotte fans with pictures of him in Hornets gear from that draft.

[JazzMan]

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It seems D-Wade has disappeared from this thread. Might as well just call it the Kobe Bryant thread, now.

[Caveman24]

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It seems D-Wade has disappeared from this thread. Might as well just call it the Kobe Bryant thread, now.

What did you expect eventually anything regarding Kobe people comment and agenda post. Attack and attack that man like ok you don't like him we get it. So any debate regarding him is pretty much going to happen like that.

[iRepIndiana]

Kobe 5 rings>>>D Wade 3

Kobe has drew some comparisons to MJ even. Wade isn't that great of a shooter. He has to attack the basket more than settle for jump shots. Kobe can do both. I also think Kobe is a slightly better defender.

Both are great competitors.

Think Kobe is the better all around player.

[TajDeni]

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its been fun comparing wade vs kobe. but its pretty unanimous by "most" folks that kobe is the 2nd greatest shooting guard ever. again most folks.

but would wade even be considered the 3rd greatest?

fwiw, id say yes but only because i personally place a high value on winning championships. and wade is a bonefide champion. but again thats my logic.

but as ive been told countless times on these very boards championships arent everything. so using some of you guys logic, not mines, is wade even on par with some of these shooting guards let alone kobe, who must ppl would acknowledge is greater than every 2-guard not named you know who..

so wade vs: (in no particular order)

1. mitch richmond
2. clyde drexler
3. reggie miller
4. allen iverson
5. jerry west

to name a few....

so when we ask and have an intelligent discussion on whether wade is on par with kobe, arent we really sublimially acknowledging that wade is a greater player than all these guys as well? because by most folks kobe is greater than all these other 2 guards.

now i say yes wade is, but if i took the chips away, im not 100% sure id come to the same conclusion. and ive been told, tho i disagree that championships shouldnt hold as much weight as i give to them.

my point being doesnt wade have to get thru these guys definately 1st b4 he can step up to being on kobe's level. thoughts.

[RedSceptile]

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Wade is better than all of those guys (between him and Jerry West is debateable).

[The 24th Letter]

Seems like forever ago, but that post redeem team Wade was about as good as any 2 guard i've seen besides the "big guy"

If I had to choose between him and prime Kobe, it's definitely not a no brainer IMO

[JODYE]

Re: Dwyane Wade actually better than Kobe ?

In their prime primes, I'm taking Wade.

Career wise, I don't think it's a comparison. Kobe's longevity is impressive.