2013-14 Transactions Thread

[Majingir]

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Tough to picture Rondo staying in Toronto long term if he didn't want to stay in Sacramento

But Kings aren't good team right now, and would be trading away their future for Rondo, so why would he want to stay? And that's all the way in the west. Maybe Rondo would want to stay in the east? Especially since he's been in the east for several years now.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Maybe he would, but I don't see how Toronto would be his preferred spot when he can handpick wherever he wants to go. That roster isn't anything special. To be honest, A Rondo/Cousins duo is more intriguing to me than a Rondo/DeRozan pair.

[702]

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Maybe he would, but I don't see how Toronto would be his preferred spot when he can handpick wherever he wants to go. That roster isn't anything special. To be honest, A Rondo/Cousins duo is more intriguing to me than a Rondo/DeRozan pair.

Valancuinas is the centerpiece, not DeRozan. Ill take Cousins too, but Ross, Johnson (one of the more overlooked guys in the league, still only 26), and DeRozan are better than what Sacramento would have if they gutted themselves for him. Though you dont know exactly what they'd be sending back obviously.

Though if I was a big money guy I'd never sign in Toronto. Those taxes are no joke. So there's that.

[Caveman24]

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Rondo to the Raptors? What would be the trade?

[ex carrabba fan]

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Valancuinas is the centerpiece, not DeRozan. Ill take Cousins too, but Ross, Johnson (one of the more overlooked guys in the league, still only 26), and DeRozan are better than what Sacramento would have if they gutted themselves for him. Though you dont know exactly what they'd be sending back obviously.

Though if I was a big money guy I'd never sign in Toronto. Those taxes are no joke. So there's that.

Sac would also have a lottery pick (most likely a high one-- Parker/Wiggins/Exum/Randle etc.) and a ton of cap space. Especially if Gay opts out of his deal like he's thinking.

A Rondo, DeRozan, Ross, Val roster is doing nothing, even in the east. Val is a nice player but he isn't a centerpiece.

[King_B_Mack]

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Sac would also have a lottery pick (most likely a high one-- Parker/Wiggins/Exum/Randle etc.) and a ton of cap space. Especially if Gay opts out of his deal like he's thinking.

A Rondo, DeRozan, Ross, Val roster is doing nothing, even in the east. Val is a nice player but he isn't a centerpiece.

I really hope Rudy isn't that stupid. Unless he's wanting to make a team friendly deal to help out or something. He's not going to see another 19 million+ for a pay day. Maybe somebody will be dumb enough to overpay, but I have my doubts he'll get that this year.

[ojandpizza]

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Rondo, Thornton, ? , Thompson, Cousins.

Rondo, DeRozan, Ross, Johnson/Patterson, Valanciunas

Neither team sounds great, but honestly teams would just cram around the lane against that Sac team.. Make it hard for Rondo to get Cousins looks.. Let Thornton and a rookie try to beat you off kick outs.. I could easily live with that.

DeRozan and Ross would be a much better scoring duo, and Johnson and Patterson are both double digits scorers with outside shooting.. A much better fit for Rondo IMHO..

Though I don't see either happening, and not sure who TOR is even giving up in the trade.

[ojandpizza]

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I really hope Rudy isn't that stupid. Unless he's wanting to make a team friendly deal to help out or something. He's not going to see another 19 million+ for a pay day. Maybe somebody will be dumb enough to overpay, but I have my doubts he'll get that this year.

I honestly think you guys could use him, not at that price or anything close to it, but if you could make it work and it be reasonable.. He's shown plenty of flashes of being a solid defender, Thibs would be a good guy to mold his game.. He's played well since leaving Toronto too.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Rondo, Thornton, ? , Thompson, Cousins.

Rondo, DeRozan, Ross, Johnson/Patterson, Valanciunas

Neither team sounds great, but honestly teams would just cram around the lane against that Sac team.. Make it hard for Rondo to get Cousins looks.. Let Thornton and a rookie try to beat you off kick outs.. I could easily live with that.

DeRozan and Ross would be a much better scoring duo, and Johnson and Patterson are both double digits scorers with outside shooting.. A much better fit for Rondo IMHO..

Though I don't see either happening, and not sure who TOR is even giving up in the trade.

Difference is, Sac would have a ton of money to throw at someone (would most likely overpay but they're Sac, they have to) and one of Parker/Randle/Wiggins/Exum/Embiid.

The Sac roster you post is one that has room for growth and change. The Toronto roster would pretty much be set and really wouldn't be competing for much of anything. They're overachieving this season.

[King_B_Mack]

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I honestly think you guys could use him, not at that price or anything close to it, but if you could make it work and it be reasonable.. He's shown plenty of flashes of being a solid defender, Thibs would be a good guy to mold his game.. He's played well since leaving Toronto too.

Yeah, I'm one of the few guys here that doesn't kill Rudy every single day and has defended him for the most part. I understand that for the money he's getting what he was producing wasn't good enough, but that "Rudy Gay is terrible" crap that was going on was overblown. If we don't land a Melo or a LeBron, Rudy Gay wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize like Boozer ended up being. As long as it's a decent price.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Yeah, I'm one of the few guys here that doesn't kill Rudy every single day and has defended him for the most part. I understand that for the money he's getting what he was producing wasn't good enough, but that "Rudy Gay is terrible" crap that was going on was overblown. If we don't land a Melo or a LeBron, Rudy Gay wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize like Boozer ended up being. As long as it's a decent price.

I think the commentary on Gay has been either one extreme or the other. Recall when he was on Memphis, and initially traded to Toronto. You had people up in arms about how dumb Memphis was and that Gay was such a great piece, why would they trade him away. Memphis ends up doing fine without him, and Conley/Gasol blossom. Then in Toronto he's playing like garbage and people kill him, mostly because of the money he's being paid. Pretty much write the guy off. Fast forward to today, he's playing for a bottom feeder and putting up nice numbers. It's always tough to judge a player who is putting up numbers on a terrible team.

He's a suitable third guy and if he's paid third guy money, I don't see the problem with that.

[King_B_Mack]

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I think the commentary on Gay has been either one extreme or the other. Recall when he was on Memphis, and initially traded to Toronto. You had people up in arms about how dumb Memphis was and that Gay was such a great piece, why would they trade him away. Memphis ends up doing fine without him, and Conley/Gasol blossom. Then in Toronto he's playing like garbage and people kill him, mostly because of the money he's being paid. Pretty much write the guy off. Fast forward to today, he's playing for a bottom feeder and putting up nice numbers. It's always tough to judge a player who is putting up numbers on a terrible team.

He's a suitable third guy and if he's paid third guy money, I don't see the problem with that.

I wouldn't say it's an extreme to question Memphis trading him, especially when it was a trade simply for financial reasons. Memphis definitely isn't doing fine without him. They're an afterthought in the west since he's been gone. They made it to the Conference Finals last year because they got the luck of the draw with a Westbrookless OKC and then got curb stomped by the Spurs. They're not in the playoffs right now. That's definitely not doing fine. Upon getting to Toronto, the Raptors got better. Granted they didn't sustain it, but I wouldn't blame that all on Gay.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I wouldn't say it's an extreme to question Memphis trading him, especially when it was a trade simply for financial reasons. Memphis definitely isn't doing fine without him. They're an afterthought in the west since he's been gone. They made it to the Conference Finals last year because they got the luck of the draw with a Westbrookless OKC and then got curb stomped by the Spurs. They're not in the playoffs right now. That's definitely not doing fine. Upon getting to Toronto, the Raptors got better. Granted they didn't sustain it, but I wouldn't blame that all on Gay.

Last year I meant the Grizzlies were fine without Gay. They played the Spurs tough all series, curb stomped is extreme considering how close the games were (two OT games).

This year they have had to deal with Gasol's injuries and are certainly not an afterthought. They will make it to the playoffs and are playing pretty great since Gasol has returned, but he did tweak his knee again so we'll see.

Memphis wasn't going to be able to keep Conley, Gay, Gasol and ZBO.

The Raptors got better with Gay? They got exponentially better after Gay left the team and DeRozan went on a tear.

That's the pattern you see with Gay after he leaves. Conley/Gasol blossomed and DeRozan putting up big numbers

[ojandpizza]

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Difference is, Sac would have a ton of money to throw at someone (would most likely overpay but they're Sac, they have to) and one of Parker/Randle/Wiggins/Exum/Embiid.



The Sac roster you post is one that has room for growth and change. The Toronto roster would pretty much be set and really wouldn't be competing for much of anything. They're overachieving this season.

They definitely have the cap, and depending on the pick I guess they could come in and be a nice fit, but I don't think any rookie is going to give DeRozan production coming in to next season.. I mean he was just an All-Star and he's currently sitting 7th in the NBA.com MVP race..

I wouldn't say they are overachieving, but their record is higher than it probably should be due to the weak eastern conference.. But they could show just as much improvement as that Sac group. Johnson is the oldest of them listed at 26 years old. DeRozan and Patterson are only 24, Ross 22, and Valanciunas is only 21.. I don't see how that can't continue to improve.

Arguably have better depth with Vasquez, Hansbrough, and Patterson as reserves.. With Rondo I think they would be a 4 seed with everyone healthy behind Indy, Miami, Chi.. Sac with Rondo I think is barely a playoff team unless that extra money lands them something big.

But really regardless of improvements or which team actually has better talent I think the Toronto cast is just a better for for how Rondo has show he succeeds with.. He has the proven wing scorer so he doesn't have to fill that role, he has the bigs who hit jumpers when he kicks out, and he has a few 3 point shooters as well..

Ross, DeRozan, and Johnson/Patterson fill the roles Ray, Pierce, and KG had with Rondo... They aren't nearly on that level and I'm not trying to compare them in that way.. But you have the outside shooter, the go-to scorer, and the kick out big men.. I just think it would be a more comfortable fit with less adjustment.

[ojandpizza]

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I don't think Gay has to be a third option, but trying to use him as a first option and him having to take contested jumpers like Toronto, or as a kick out 3 point shooter for when Gasol and Zebo couldn't get the looks they wanted were both situations he was destined to fail in.

Memphis struggled because without him they had nobody to create a shot. They were able to grind out wins and keep other teams from getting into their flow, excellent defensive line-up and pretty good coaching... Had they made the finals and had to play a Miami, Chicago, or Indy, teams who were used to winning playoff series against tough defenses I think they would have gotten borderline embarrassed.