11/5 - 11/11 Games Discussion Thread

[RedSceptile]

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Harden has been playing injured.

[BringTheHeat]

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Gay and Harden have both been lackluster this year, but IMO neither of them are meant to be number one options, that's not a knock on them, just they can't be "The guy" and they're both being forced to try to

[OkayC]

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That was a foul on brewer. But hey the clips are at home.

[ojandpizza]

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Gay and Harden have both been lackluster this year, but IMO neither of them are meant to be number one options, that's not a knock on them, just they can't be "The guy" and they're both being forced to try to

I've thought this about Gay his whole career., he sorta had a chance to do that in Memphis but he was almost limited to a spot up 3 point shooter for their post guys to kick to, which he definitely isn't a spot up shooter.. Then they had him add all that mass, he's was much better as a skinnier guy.. Little quicker off the dribble, and could squeeze into gaps in the defense like a young Ray Allen and RIP, or even poor man Durant... I don't think he'll ever be great in Toronto having to create his own looks all the time, would love to see him on a good team with a good PG..

Harden I feel can be a number one option, just one who's a little more passive.. Like a LeBron role.. He should have the pieces to be that now with Howard, Parsons, Lin there with him.. I haven't caught much of the Rockets this season so I can't really comment on what the problem is. Maybe they just need more time to click together, or a better offensive game plan / coach.

[BringTheHeat]

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I've thought this about Gay his whole career., he sorta had a chance to do that in Memphis but he was almost limited to a spot up 3 point shooter for their post guys to kick to, which he definitely isn't a spot up shooter.. Then they had him add all that mass, he's was much better as a skinnier guy.. Little quicker off the dribble, and could squeeze into gaps in the defense like a young Ray Allen and RIP, or even poor man Durant... I don't think he'll ever be great in Toronto having to create his own looks all the time, would love to see him on a good team with a good PG..

Harden I feel can be a number one option, just one who's a little more passive.. Like a LeBron role.. He should have the pieces to be that now with Howard, Parsons, Lin there with him.. I haven't caught much of the Rockets this season so I can't really comment on what the problem is. Maybe they just need more time to click together, or a better offensive game plan / coach.

I agree with what you said about Harden, I'd say he's one of the best creators for scoring opportunities, whether that be setting up a teammate or scoring himself. I guess I just don't see him as being able to control a game like Kobe or LeBron or Durant, and he has a long way to go defensively, but like you said, it's a new team, so we'll see, my gf is a Harden fan so we've been watching the Rockets and Heat quite a bit this year

[Klayups]

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That was a good *** Twolves/Clippers game. I really hope someone locks Blake Griffin in a gym next summer with a workout tape of james worthy

[ojandpizza]

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I agree with what you said about Harden, I'd say he's one of the best creators for scoring opportunities, whether that be setting up a teammate or scoring himself. I guess I just don't see him as being able to control a game like Kobe or LeBron or Durant, and he has a long way to go defensively, but like you said, it's a new team, so we'll see, my gf is a Harden fan so we've been watching the Rockets and Heat quite a bit this year

Yeah I don't think he'll ever be a Kobe, LeBron, Durant type of guy.. But with the right pieces around him I think he could be the focal point of a championship level team..

Hell if Dwight would learn a few post moves Harden wouldn't even have to worry about being a first option.

[Fiasco West]

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Gay and Harden have both been lackluster this year, but IMO neither of them are meant to be number one options, that's not a knock on them, just they can't be "The guy" and they're both being forced to try to

Harden definitely was a very good #1 option last year. He's not Rudy Gay, he's not just going to jack up 30+ jump shots as he knows he can just get to the line. I think it is more about him just being hurt (although he's still putting up points on around .450...should drop after this game a bit) I know he's hurt, and it is a good thing that he wasn't forcing it tonight.

I think they should rest him instead of having him play on sore ankles, because he's just not himself out there. Although he had a good all around game tonight, played good defense and looked to move the ball so I guess I'm not complaining. Just hope to see hold Harden slicing through the lane and what not soon...

[Vni]

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Harden was allright tonight. He was beeing agressive in overtime as he should.

[Kashanova]

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geez... 11 for 37 from Rudy. That's Kobe Territory. Wolves and Clips was extremely entertaining. I hope the wolves can stay healthy. They're fun to watch.

[The 24th Letter]

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[jeebs9]

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T'Wolves randomly kinda reminded me of the 2000 Kings as I was watching the first half

Rubio/Williams
Martin/Peja
Brewer/Christie
Love/Webber
Pekovic/Vlade

Obviously some differences, but overall the system by Adelman-- ball movement, PnR, three points/spread the floor-- are in place and the skill sets are pretty similar.

That's exactly what I was saying last a few days ago.

[JazzMan]

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Here's my problem with what people are saying about how guys like Gay and Harden aren't number 1 options...

The way ya'll are talking, there's only 6 number 1 options in the league. They're the number 1 option on their respective teams, so in theory, doesn't that make them a number 1 option?

[ex carrabba fan]

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Here's my problem with what people are saying about how guys like Gay and Harden aren't number 1 options...

The way ya'll are talking, there's only 6 number 1 options in the league. They're the number 1 option on their respective teams, so in theory, doesn't that make them a number 1 option?

I definitely see what you're saying with this.

I think when people criticize Gay and Harden, it's more in terms of "they'll never give their team a legit chance at making a deep run in the playoffs as a #1 option".

I think the desire to play hard-nosed defense plays a lot into this. I don't look at Paul George as a better offensive player than Harden, but his ability to play defense might make him a better suited #1 option going forward. Considering George's improving offensive arsenal. I personally don't have a say but I was just naming an example.

So of course guys like LaMarcus Aldridge, James Harden, John Wall are considered number one options on their teams, I wouldn't necessarily be confident that my team would be doing anything come playoff time. Like I said, I think individual defense and team defense plays into this whole topic.

[JazzMan]

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I definitely see what you're saying with this.

I think when people criticize Gay and Harden, it's more in terms of "they'll never give their team a legit chance at making a deep run in the playoffs as a #1 option".

I think the desire to play hard-nosed defense plays a lot into this. I don't look at Paul George as a better offensive player than Harden, but his ability to play defense might make him a better suited #1 option going forward. Considering George's improving offensive arsenal. I personally don't have a say but I was just naming an example.

So of course guys like LaMarcus Aldridge, James Harden, John Wall are considered number one options on their teams, I wouldn't necessarily be confident that my team would be doing anything come playoff time. Like I said, I think individual defense and team defense plays into this whole topic.

Well in that case, Dirk Nowitzki was the #1 option for an NBA Championship team a few years ago as a 30+ year old. His defense is average at best.

Of course, Dirk had a legendary playoff run of averaging 25+ points, but I don't think anyone could call him leading the Mavs to an NBA title over Miami during the regular season.

Now I'm just getting off-topic lol