Don't Count Out The Nets

**Shaver** · 04-12-2004, 06:50 AM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

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EWRMETS said:
You Piston fans are FULL of excuses.

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Yet....you still haven't answered the question....

Are you OUT OF excuses????

**EWRMETS** · 04-12-2004, 10:52 AM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

Kenyon Martin was matched up against Ben Wallace in the Eastern Conference Finals last year. Martin did not back down from Wallace like a lot of forwards do, but instead took it right at him. He scored 16 points on 8-14 shooting in game 1, 25 on 10-19 in game 2, 19 on 6-12 in game 3, and 14 on 6-13 in game 4. Yes Wallace is a good rebounder and shot blocker, but whenever I have watched a player take it directly to Ben Wallace, he isn't able to dominate the game defensively like he can when he is is playing help defense.

**EWRMETS** · 04-12-2004, 10:52 AM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

Kenyon Martin was matched up against Ben Wallace in the Eastern Conference Finals last year. Martin did not back down from Wallace like a lot of forwards do, but instead took it right at him. He scored 16 points on 8-14 shooting in game 1, 25 on 10-19 in game 2, 19 on 6-12 in game 3, and 14 on 6-13 in game 4. Yes Wallace is a good rebounder and shot blocker, but whenever I have watched a player take it directly to Ben Wallace, he isn't able to dominate the game defensively like he can when he is is playing help defense.

**EWRMETS** · 04-12-2004, 10:52 AM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

Kenyon Martin was matched up against Ben Wallace in the Eastern Conference Finals last year. Martin did not back down from Wallace like a lot of forwards do, but instead took it right at him. He scored 16 points on 8-14 shooting in game 1, 25 on 10-19 in game 2, 19 on 6-12 in game 3, and 14 on 6-13 in game 4. Yes Wallace is a good rebounder and shot blocker, but whenever I have watched a player take it directly to Ben Wallace, he isn't able to dominate the game defensively like he can when he is is playing help defense.

**Shaver** · 04-12-2004, 11:30 AM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

Were all of those made FGs when he was on Ben? No, they sure weren't. Ben played reduced minutes in the ECF and did not check K-Mart but about 15 minutes per game.

Second, a lot of those made FGs were on fast breaks. The Nets outran the Pistons last year. So, of the 50% made FGs, how many were on the break against transition D versus one on one?

Third, what does one match-up mean in terms of a statement like you made? Joe Dumars shutdown Michael Jordan about 75% of the time that they matched up....was MJ over-rated because one guy defended him well? Can you give me another example of Ben's "overrated-ness"?

Don't make blanket statements that you can't back up. Be honest. Say "I don't like Ben Wallace because he's not on the Nets so I call him overrated." I would respect that a lot more.

**Shaver** · 04-12-2004, 11:30 AM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

Were all of those made FGs when he was on Ben? No, they sure weren't. Ben played reduced minutes in the ECF and did not check K-Mart but about 15 minutes per game.

Second, a lot of those made FGs were on fast breaks. The Nets outran the Pistons last year. So, of the 50% made FGs, how many were on the break against transition D versus one on one?

Third, what does one match-up mean in terms of a statement like you made? Joe Dumars shutdown Michael Jordan about 75% of the time that they matched up....was MJ over-rated because one guy defended him well? Can you give me another example of Ben's "overrated-ness"?

Don't make blanket statements that you can't back up. Be honest. Say "I don't like Ben Wallace because he's not on the Nets so I call him overrated." I would respect that a lot more.

**Shaver** · 04-12-2004, 11:30 AM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

Were all of those made FGs when he was on Ben? No, they sure weren't. Ben played reduced minutes in the ECF and did not check K-Mart but about 15 minutes per game.

Second, a lot of those made FGs were on fast breaks. The Nets outran the Pistons last year. So, of the 50% made FGs, how many were on the break against transition D versus one on one?

Third, what does one match-up mean in terms of a statement like you made? Joe Dumars shutdown Michael Jordan about 75% of the time that they matched up....was MJ over-rated because one guy defended him well? Can you give me another example of Ben's "overrated-ness"?

Don't make blanket statements that you can't back up. Be honest. Say "I don't like Ben Wallace because he's not on the Nets so I call him overrated." I would respect that a lot more.

**Virix** · 04-12-2004, 12:12 PM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

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EWRMETS said:
Kenyon Martin was matched up against Ben Wallace in the Eastern Conference Finals last year. Martin did not back down from Wallace like a lot of forwards do, but instead took it right at him. He scored 16 points on 8-14 shooting in game 1, 25 on 10-19 in game 2, 19 on 6-12 in game 3, and 14 on 6-13 in game 4. Yes Wallace is a good rebounder and shot blocker, but whenever I have watched a player take it directly to Ben Wallace, he isn't able to dominate the game defensively like he can when he is is playing help defense.

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And what happend when they played this year? Ill enlighten you. Kmart scored 11 points (4/8 shooting) in the first meeting, 13 points in the second (5/17 shooting) and 13 points (5/11 shooting) in the last meeting. Stop living in the past, and using your only example from a time when Wallace was playing less than a month after a severe MCL sprain.

**Virix** · 04-12-2004, 12:12 PM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

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EWRMETS said:
Kenyon Martin was matched up against Ben Wallace in the Eastern Conference Finals last year. Martin did not back down from Wallace like a lot of forwards do, but instead took it right at him. He scored 16 points on 8-14 shooting in game 1, 25 on 10-19 in game 2, 19 on 6-12 in game 3, and 14 on 6-13 in game 4. Yes Wallace is a good rebounder and shot blocker, but whenever I have watched a player take it directly to Ben Wallace, he isn't able to dominate the game defensively like he can when he is is playing help defense.

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And what happend when they played this year? Ill enlighten you. Kmart scored 11 points (4/8 shooting) in the first meeting, 13 points in the second (5/17 shooting) and 13 points (5/11 shooting) in the last meeting. Stop living in the past, and using your only example from a time when Wallace was playing less than a month after a severe MCL sprain.

**Virix** · 04-12-2004, 12:12 PM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

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EWRMETS said:
Kenyon Martin was matched up against Ben Wallace in the Eastern Conference Finals last year. Martin did not back down from Wallace like a lot of forwards do, but instead took it right at him. He scored 16 points on 8-14 shooting in game 1, 25 on 10-19 in game 2, 19 on 6-12 in game 3, and 14 on 6-13 in game 4. Yes Wallace is a good rebounder and shot blocker, but whenever I have watched a player take it directly to Ben Wallace, he isn't able to dominate the game defensively like he can when he is is playing help defense.

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And what happend when they played this year? Ill enlighten you. Kmart scored 11 points (4/8 shooting) in the first meeting, 13 points in the second (5/17 shooting) and 13 points (5/11 shooting) in the last meeting. Stop living in the past, and using your only example from a time when Wallace was playing less than a month after a severe MCL sprain.

**mgoblue** · 04-12-2004, 12:15 PM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

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Virix said:
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EWRMETS said:
Kenyon Martin was matched up against Ben Wallace in the Eastern Conference Finals last year. Martin did not back down from Wallace like a lot of forwards do, but instead took it right at him. He scored 16 points on 8-14 shooting in game 1, 25 on 10-19 in game 2, 19 on 6-12 in game 3, and 14 on 6-13 in game 4. Yes Wallace is a good rebounder and shot blocker, but whenever I have watched a player take it directly to Ben Wallace, he isn't able to dominate the game defensively like he can when he is is playing help defense.

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And what happend when they played this year? Ill enlighten you. Kmart scored 11 points (4/8 shooting) in the first meeting, 13 points in the second (5/17 shooting) and 13 points (5/11 shooting) in the last meeting. Stop living in the past, and using your only example from a time when Wallace was playing less than a month after a severe MCL sprain.

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and didn't Chauncey miss a few games due to a severely sprained ankle? When he was hurt the Pistons were definitely missing him

**mgoblue** · 04-12-2004, 12:15 PM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

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Virix said:
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EWRMETS said:
Kenyon Martin was matched up against Ben Wallace in the Eastern Conference Finals last year. Martin did not back down from Wallace like a lot of forwards do, but instead took it right at him. He scored 16 points on 8-14 shooting in game 1, 25 on 10-19 in game 2, 19 on 6-12 in game 3, and 14 on 6-13 in game 4. Yes Wallace is a good rebounder and shot blocker, but whenever I have watched a player take it directly to Ben Wallace, he isn't able to dominate the game defensively like he can when he is is playing help defense.

<hr /></blockquote>

And what happend when they played this year? Ill enlighten you. Kmart scored 11 points (4/8 shooting) in the first meeting, 13 points in the second (5/17 shooting) and 13 points (5/11 shooting) in the last meeting. Stop living in the past, and using your only example from a time when Wallace was playing less than a month after a severe MCL sprain.

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and didn't Chauncey miss a few games due to a severely sprained ankle? When he was hurt the Pistons were definitely missing him

**mgoblue** · 04-12-2004, 12:15 PM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

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Virix said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
EWRMETS said:
Kenyon Martin was matched up against Ben Wallace in the Eastern Conference Finals last year. Martin did not back down from Wallace like a lot of forwards do, but instead took it right at him. He scored 16 points on 8-14 shooting in game 1, 25 on 10-19 in game 2, 19 on 6-12 in game 3, and 14 on 6-13 in game 4. Yes Wallace is a good rebounder and shot blocker, but whenever I have watched a player take it directly to Ben Wallace, he isn't able to dominate the game defensively like he can when he is is playing help defense.

<hr /></blockquote>

And what happend when they played this year? Ill enlighten you. Kmart scored 11 points (4/8 shooting) in the first meeting, 13 points in the second (5/17 shooting) and 13 points (5/11 shooting) in the last meeting. Stop living in the past, and using your only example from a time when Wallace was playing less than a month after a severe MCL sprain.

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and didn't Chauncey miss a few games due to a severely sprained ankle? When he was hurt the Pistons were definitely missing him

**Virix** · 04-12-2004, 12:30 PM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

Yeah he got hurt in the Philly series.

**Virix** · 04-12-2004, 12:30 PM

Re: Don\'t Count Out The Nets

Yeah he got hurt in the Philly series.

Don't Count Out The Nets

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