1/21 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

[ojandpizza]

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Still not seeing these Portland-2011 Dallas comparisons...

I don't, or never did see the comparisons.

I was just arguing that I don't think they have a terrible bench.

[SteelersFreak]

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Don't ever compare that Tyson Chandler to Robin Lopez. That just isn't right. And I like Lopez for his role. Chandler got a huge contract just based off that season. It was a truly great defensive year by Chandler.

Aldridge doesn't have the experience nor the skill that Dirk had, and Aldridge is an amazing player.

The comparisons don't make any sense except that they both liked to score from the outside. That's where it ends.

When did I ever say Lopez was a good as Chandler? I said he's a similar type of player to Chandler. Stop reading things that aren't there.

The comparisons make sense to an extent, it's not all completely black and white, they don't have to be identical or completely different. If you don't see some similarities with style of play, then I don't know what to tell you.

And Pack, I never said that the Mavs bench didn't have a lot of talent but keep in mind they played way above their normal abilities in the playoffs. Barea played the best basketball of his career, Terry finally showed up in the playoffs, Peja hit some big shots, but remember that in the series against the Thunder and Heat he was so slow he was replaced. Brewer never played outside of the Lakers series, Haywood was Haywood and you had guys like Ian Mahinmi and Brian Cardinal stepping in and making plays.

I'd probably say just based on pure talent, that the Mavs teams after the championship had more raw talent, they just couldn't put it together like the championship team could. And I think people see a bit of that in the Blazers.

[ex carrabba fan]

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When did I ever say Lopez was a good as Chandler? I said he's a similar type of player to Chandler. Stop reading things that aren't there.

The comparisons make sense to an extent, it's not all completely black and white, they don't have to be identical or completely different. If you don't see some similarities with style of play, then I don't know what to tell you.

And Pack, I never said that the Mavs bench didn't have a lot of talent but keep in mind they played way above their normal abilities in the playoffs. Barea played the best basketball of his career, Terry finally showed up in the playoffs, Peja hit some big shots, but remember that in the series against the Thunder and Heat he was so slow he was replaced. Brewer never played outside of the Lakers series, Haywood was Haywood and you had guys like Ian Mahinmi and Brian Cardinal stepping in and making plays.

I'd probably say just based on pure talent, that the Mavs teams after the championship had more raw talent, they just couldn't put it together like the championship team could. And I think people see a bit of that in the Blazers.

I'm not reading in to anything, I'm saying Lopez should never be compared to Chandler in any sense, like you just did. I don't see the similarities except for the outside shooting. Look at how each team operated, starting with the point guard position. Completely different tendencies and that's not even mentioning the defense.

Which comparisons, exactly, make sense? Besides the fact that both teams like to score from the perimeter? And besides the fact that nobody expected them to win a title

[SteelersFreak]

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I'm not reading in to anything, I'm saying Lopez should never be compared to Chandler in any sense, like you just did. I don't see the similarities except for the outside shooting. Look at how each team operated, starting with the point guard position. Completely different tendencies and that's not even mentioning the defense.

Which comparisons, exactly, make sense? Besides the fact that both teams like to score from the perimeter? And besides the fact that nobody expected them to win a title

How can you not compare Chandler and Lopez? Lopez's scoring and rebounding numbers are pretty close to what Chandler's were in Dallas, and that's playing with a big that's a much better rebounder than what Chandler was playing with. I'll be the first to say Chandler was a fantastic player for us and his presence was key in getting us a Finals win, but Lopez is playing pretty damn well for the Blazers in a similar kind of role, he's not relied on to score, he's there to play interior defense and pull down boards, exactly what Chandler was in Dallas to do.

[ex carrabba fan]

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How can you not compare Chandler and Lopez? Lopez's scoring and rebounding numbers are pretty close to what Chandler's were in Dallas, and that's playing with a big that's a much better rebounder than what Chandler was playing with. I'll be the first to say Chandler was a fantastic player for us and his presence was key in getting us a Finals win, but Lopez is playing pretty damn well for the Blazers in a similar kind of role, he's not relied on to score, he's there to play interior defense and pull down boards, exactly what Chandler was in Dallas to do.

So, you are comparing Chandler and Lopez. Let's not go down that road man, let's not

Really, watch what you're saying. I don't think you're thinking clearly. Please don't come in here with numbers either, you're really selling what Tyson Chandler did that year short when you do that.

Again, Chandler had a standout year defensively, he got a huge contract just based off that season. Chandler was also considered a great leader on that team, the quarterback of the defense. Lopez' defense isn't getting any sort of recognition, unless I'm missing something. Their roles are completely different and their impacts are completely different. And again, I love Lopez in his curent role.

[jerk]

1/21 - 1/27 Games Discussion Thread

Looks like the raptors just dodged what would've been DEVESTATING injuries to both Lowry and Demar.

Yowzas, that was close.

Edit: spoke too soon

[ojandpizza]

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So, you are comparing Chandler and Lopez. Let's not go down that road man, let's not

Really, watch what you're saying. I don't think you're thinking clearly. Please don't come in here with numbers either, you're really selling what Tyson Chandler did that year short when you do that.

Again, Chandler had a standout year defensively, he got a huge contract just based off that season. Chandler was also considered a great leader on that team, the quarterback of the defense. Lopez' defense isn't getting any sort of recognition, unless I'm missing something. Their roles are completely different and their impacts are completely different. And again, I love Lopez in his curent role.

I think he's just trying to say they have basically the same role and are giving similar outputs. I don't think in his post he was directly comparing the two of them or trying to say that Lopez is the defender than Tyson was.

I'm not sure how their roles aren't similar though. They were both brought in to rebound and defend the rim playing next to a scoring forward.

Chandlers hype that season was far overblown. He was basically given all the credit for making what was usually a poor defensive team into a good defensive team. People completely disregarded that they also had added Kidd, Marion, and Stevenson all great defenders. And even Haywood who's arguably a better shot blocker than Tyson.

Obviously Tyson is a better all around player than Lopez and he's an excellent help defender to guard the rim. But their roles and purpose on their teams are nearly identical.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I think he's just trying to say they have basically the same role and are giving similar outputs. I don't think in his post he was directly comparing the two of them or trying to say that Lopez is the defender than Tyson was.

I'm not sure how their roles aren't similar though. They were both brought in to rebound and defend the rim playing next to a scoring forward.

Chandlers hype that season was far overblown. He was basically given all the credit for making what was usually a poor defensive team into a good defensive team. People completely disregarded that they also had added Kidd, Marion, and Stevenson all great defenders. And even Haywood who's arguably a better shot blocker than Tyson.

Obviously Tyson is a better all around player than Lopez and he's an excellent help defender to guard the rim. But their roles and purpose on their teams are nearly identical.

Tyson Chandler was the vocal leader of the team and called out the defense to get into position. Coordinated on the floor almost like a coach. If you think Robin Lopez does anything near that, then sure they had similar roles. Obviously as a center, your main function is to defend and rebound. I thought I'd take it a bit more in-depth than that

If you think his season was overblown so be it. Ask Dirk and he'll laugh in your face. Ask anyone on that team and they'll laugh in your face. They know they couldn't have got that ring without Chandler's leadership and defense. He was a major difference maker. Lopez isn't depended upon to make a difference because he simply can't. You can downplay Chandler all you want but those Mavs know they have a ring because of Chandler's play, despite Haywood being a "better shot blocker" Heck out of here trying to slander Chandler by bringing up Haywood

[SteelersFreak]

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ex I'm gonna need you to stop lecturing me on my own favorite team homie. All I was saying was that in terms of contribution to the box score, Lopez and Chandler have similar roles. I wasn't trying to say Lopez was the leader Chandler was on the floor or off the floor and nowhere did I ever make that assertion. You're assuming that I'm meaning things that I'm not saying at all.

You're right about his importance to the Mavs, it was huge, all I was saying was in terms of on court production, Lopez and Chandler are expected to bring the same kind of thing. And I don't think every single center is called on to defend and rebound like they are. Some guys are asked to score, Al Harrington comes to mind, some guys are asked to focus almost all of their energy defending, some guys are out there scooping up any rebound that comes anywhere near them, not every center has the same role.

I understand you hold Chandler in high esteem and Lopez not so much, but I think you're reading too much into them being compared. It's silly to try to compare personalities and leadership roles by position. Some teams are gonna have their center be their energetic leader, some teams are gonna have a 3 play that role or a point guard play that role or whoever.

[BlueNGold]

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So Terrence Ross has 46 against the Clips.

[ojandpizza]

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Tyson Chandler was the vocal leader of the team and called out the defense to get into position. Coordinated on the floor almost like a coach. If you think Robin Lopez does anything near that, then sure they had similar roles. Obviously as a center, your main function is to defend and rebound. I thought I'd take it a bit more in-depth than that



If you think his season was overblown so be it. Ask Dirk and he'll laugh in your face. Ask anyone on that team and they'll laugh in your face. They know they couldn't have got that ring without Chandler's leadership and defense. He was a major difference maker. Lopez isn't depended upon to make a difference because he simply can't. You can downplay Chandler all you want but those Mavs know they have a ring because of Chandler's play, despite Haywood being a "better shot blocker" Heck out of here trying to slander Chandler by bringing up Haywood

Lopez is obviously a difference maker. They have the same line-up from last season this year minus Hickson added Lopez.. He added exactly what they needed to pair next to LA so he could be the player he is this year.

Nobody is questioning Tyson as a leader. But let's not act like he was a walking Bill Russell coaching the defense. The team had lots of good defenders, you act like he's the sole reason they were even decent at that end..

We weren't in the locker room, so there is no way for any of us to truly gauge how much of a leader he was. But I have a hard time believing it's the magnitude you're hyping it up to be. Why doesn't he have this reputation for his entire career. We are supposed to believe he randomly had one magical player-coach esque season?

And again nobody is even questioning how good or bad of a leader he was. We were just stating this role on the court was exactly what Lopez has. And their numbers have been very similar.

How did I slander Tyson by mentioning other good defenders on the team?

[ex carrabba fan]

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ex I'm gonna need you to stop lecturing me on my own favorite team homie. All I was saying was that in terms of contribution to the box score, Lopez and Chandler have similar roles. I wasn't trying to say Lopez was the leader Chandler was on the floor or off the floor and nowhere did I ever make that assertion. You're assuming that I'm meaning things that I'm not saying at all.

You're right about his importance to the Mavs, it was huge, all I was saying was in terms of on court production, Lopez and Chandler are expected to bring the same kind of thing. And I don't think every single center is called on to defend and rebound like they are. Some guys are asked to score, Al Harrington comes to mind, some guys are asked to focus almost all of their energy defending, some guys are out there scooping up any rebound that comes anywhere near them, not every center has the same role.

I understand you hold Chandler in high esteem and Lopez not so much, but I think you're reading too much into them being compared. It's silly to try to compare personalities and leadership roles by position. Some teams are gonna have their center be their energetic leader, some teams are gonna have a 3 play that role or a point guard play that role or whoever.

So basically you're saying they aren't the same player and you agree that Chandler was vital to their success. They aren't similar in any other way other than that they play the center position and they averaged similar numbers.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Lopez is obviously a difference maker. They have the same line-up from last season this year minus Hickson added Lopez.. He added exactly what they needed to pair next to LA so he could be the player he is this year.

Nobody is questioning Tyson as a leader. But let's not act like he was a walking Bill Russell coaching the defense. The team had lots of good defenders, you act like he's the sole reason they were even decent at that end..

We weren't in the locker room, so there is no way for any of us to truly gauge how much of a leader he was. But I have a hard time believing it's the magnitude you're hyping it up to be. Why doesn't he have this reputation for his entire career. We are supposed to believe he randomly had one magical player-coach esque season?

And again nobody is even questioning how good or bad of a leader he was. We were just stating this role on the court was exactly what Lopez has. And their numbers have been very similar.

How did I slander Tyson by mentioning other good defenders on the team?

Bill Russell? Nope, just pointing out you obviously are undervaluing Chandler's importance to that title team, you can ask Steelersfreak he'll tell you the same.

You even mentioning Haywood is slandering Chandler.

[King_B_Mack]

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My man Joakim is rolling. 16 straight games with 10 or more rebounds.

[ojandpizza]

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For however much I'm undervaluing his contribution you are overvaluing it by twice that.