Pistons vs. Bucks: First Round Thread

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How can you argue with the pick?

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You can't if you look at it with an open mind. Detroit took who was the best for THEIR team, that is what the draft is about. Trust me, there were better players on the board than Sweetney when the Knicks picked, but Sweetney was the best of the remaining that would fit the Knicks team at the time.

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Clay_OS said:
I know it won't mean anything to the blinder wearing Melo loyalists out there. However, if you watched game one, you got an indication of why the Pistons felt comfortable in taking the risk on Darko over Melo. Tayshaun Prince scored 14 points, grabbed 11 rebounds and blocked four shots. He also spent a lot of time defending Michael Redd (who only scored 11 points). Melo might give you 10 or 12 more points, but he is not going to give you half of those boards, and Redd likely would have scored 10 more himself.

How can you argue with the pick?

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I'm really happy with how Tayshaun's turning out...a year and a half ago he was basically a nobody, but now he's a big part of the Pistons. He plays good D, and is decent on the offensive end. Plus he's had some awesome dunks and alley oops, that lanky build helps a lot.

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Clay_OS said:
I know it won't mean anything to the blinder wearing Melo loyalists out there. However, if you watched game one, you got an indication of why the Pistons felt comfortable in taking the risk on Darko over Melo. Tayshaun Prince scored 14 points, grabbed 11 rebounds and blocked four shots. He also spent a lot of time defending Michael Redd (who only scored 11 points). Melo might give you 10 or 12 more points, but he is not going to give you half of those boards, and Redd likely would have scored 10 more himself.

How can you argue with the pick?

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I'm really happy with how Tayshaun's turning out...a year and a half ago he was basically a nobody, but now he's a big part of the Pistons. He plays good D, and is decent on the offensive end. Plus he's had some awesome dunks and alley oops, that lanky build helps a lot.

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Clay_OS said:
I know it won't mean anything to the blinder wearing Melo loyalists out there. However, if you watched game one, you got an indication of why the Pistons felt comfortable in taking the risk on Darko over Melo. Tayshaun Prince scored 14 points, grabbed 11 rebounds and blocked four shots. He also spent a lot of time defending Michael Redd (who only scored 11 points). Melo might give you 10 or 12 more points, but he is not going to give you half of those boards, and Redd likely would have scored 10 more himself.

How can you argue with the pick?

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I'm really happy with how Tayshaun's turning out...a year and a half ago he was basically a nobody, but now he's a big part of the Pistons. He plays good D, and is decent on the offensive end. Plus he's had some awesome dunks and alley oops, that lanky build helps a lot.

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I'm with you Clay. Tay will never be considered the better overall player than Melo. If you were going to start a franchise with nothing, Melo can be something to really build on. Tay is more like glue to a team rather than brick. He does a little bit of everything wherever he's asked to. He can score when the Pistons need him to but most of all he does the little things. You need players like Tay in your lineup to be Championship teams. You can't have 5 guys all wanting to put up numbers every game if you want to have a cohesive, well oiled unit.

For chemistry purposes, Melo would be coming off the bench as a Vinny Johnson type of spark if he were on the Pistons this year. If you take away Melo's shots, you take away his value. Tay scores half the points on half the shots...but he rarely takes bad shots and he makes very good decisions with the ball. Most importantly, he plays D. It's possible to have too many offensive weapons but there's always room for as many great defensive players on the floor at one time as possible.

On a personal level, I love watching Tay's game when he's mildly aggressive. There's not many players with 7'3 wingspans who can drain the 3, shoot the mid range shot off the dribble, pass, play defense, and take it to the hole and dunk on big men. Tay reminds me of a much less aggressive Scotty Pippen.

The only reason I'm careful to talk up his play too much is because even though he has a ton of skills, he disapears from games due to lack of aggressiveness. He's also likely to get out-muscled by Jefferson and Artest in the next 2 series. Tay's only real weakness is his thin frame. If he gets a little stronger by next year and gets a little more aggressive, I think he's going to be one hell of a player and be the perfect fit of a player to play small forward for the long haul in Detroit.

[OneBadMutha]

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I'm with you Clay. Tay will never be considered the better overall player than Melo. If you were going to start a franchise with nothing, Melo can be something to really build on. Tay is more like glue to a team rather than brick. He does a little bit of everything wherever he's asked to. He can score when the Pistons need him to but most of all he does the little things. You need players like Tay in your lineup to be Championship teams. You can't have 5 guys all wanting to put up numbers every game if you want to have a cohesive, well oiled unit.

For chemistry purposes, Melo would be coming off the bench as a Vinny Johnson type of spark if he were on the Pistons this year. If you take away Melo's shots, you take away his value. Tay scores half the points on half the shots...but he rarely takes bad shots and he makes very good decisions with the ball. Most importantly, he plays D. It's possible to have too many offensive weapons but there's always room for as many great defensive players on the floor at one time as possible.

On a personal level, I love watching Tay's game when he's mildly aggressive. There's not many players with 7'3 wingspans who can drain the 3, shoot the mid range shot off the dribble, pass, play defense, and take it to the hole and dunk on big men. Tay reminds me of a much less aggressive Scotty Pippen.

The only reason I'm careful to talk up his play too much is because even though he has a ton of skills, he disapears from games due to lack of aggressiveness. He's also likely to get out-muscled by Jefferson and Artest in the next 2 series. Tay's only real weakness is his thin frame. If he gets a little stronger by next year and gets a little more aggressive, I think he's going to be one hell of a player and be the perfect fit of a player to play small forward for the long haul in Detroit.

[OneBadMutha]

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I'm with you Clay. Tay will never be considered the better overall player than Melo. If you were going to start a franchise with nothing, Melo can be something to really build on. Tay is more like glue to a team rather than brick. He does a little bit of everything wherever he's asked to. He can score when the Pistons need him to but most of all he does the little things. You need players like Tay in your lineup to be Championship teams. You can't have 5 guys all wanting to put up numbers every game if you want to have a cohesive, well oiled unit.

For chemistry purposes, Melo would be coming off the bench as a Vinny Johnson type of spark if he were on the Pistons this year. If you take away Melo's shots, you take away his value. Tay scores half the points on half the shots...but he rarely takes bad shots and he makes very good decisions with the ball. Most importantly, he plays D. It's possible to have too many offensive weapons but there's always room for as many great defensive players on the floor at one time as possible.

On a personal level, I love watching Tay's game when he's mildly aggressive. There's not many players with 7'3 wingspans who can drain the 3, shoot the mid range shot off the dribble, pass, play defense, and take it to the hole and dunk on big men. Tay reminds me of a much less aggressive Scotty Pippen.

The only reason I'm careful to talk up his play too much is because even though he has a ton of skills, he disapears from games due to lack of aggressiveness. He's also likely to get out-muscled by Jefferson and Artest in the next 2 series. Tay's only real weakness is his thin frame. If he gets a little stronger by next year and gets a little more aggressive, I think he's going to be one hell of a player and be the perfect fit of a player to play small forward for the long haul in Detroit.

[OneBadMutha]

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...oh, and while we are on topic about some of Joe Dumars' decisions...can we finally put to rest the entire issue of Larry Brown over Rick Carlisle. Even if Carlise's Pacers beat Detroit I'm not going to change my opinion about LB being the right move for this team. These Piston players have developed individually and as a team to be better regardless of the next coach.

Anyone notice Rip lately? What's up with all those assist? What's up with his ball hawking and turnover forcing defense?

What's up with Ben Wallace getting all those points...and not have all those points only come off of put backs. How about some of those moves he used in the post in game 1.

Before Chauncy's injury...what's up with him looking like a true point guard? Wasn't that supposed to be impossible with him?

What's up with Corliss not taking so many bad shots? Has anyone noticed how his shooting percentage has steadily climbed throughout the year. What's up with his improved D?

Then there's the fact that LB was all over Joe about getting Sheed the entire year...even when the rest of the league and it's coaches were leary of him.

Also this Piston's team is forcing turnovers and running like they never would've under Rick Carlisle. If for no other reason, I love watching Larry Brown's basketball team because it looks more like basketball than scrums out there. Detroit can play tough yet still not look like a train wreck on offense. I love watching their ball movement, fast breaks, alley oops, crashing the boards, ball hawking, trapping, and pressuring defense...which are all things I don't think we would've seen under Carlisle. RC has a pretty athletic team with lots of offensive talent in Indiana and they still don't force the kinds of turnovers, run, and move the ball the way the Pistons do. I truly wonder if Carlisle's style of coaching is too limited for his teams to ever go the distance.

[OneBadMutha]

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...oh, and while we are on topic about some of Joe Dumars' decisions...can we finally put to rest the entire issue of Larry Brown over Rick Carlisle. Even if Carlise's Pacers beat Detroit I'm not going to change my opinion about LB being the right move for this team. These Piston players have developed individually and as a team to be better regardless of the next coach.

Anyone notice Rip lately? What's up with all those assist? What's up with his ball hawking and turnover forcing defense?

What's up with Ben Wallace getting all those points...and not have all those points only come off of put backs. How about some of those moves he used in the post in game 1.

Before Chauncy's injury...what's up with him looking like a true point guard? Wasn't that supposed to be impossible with him?

What's up with Corliss not taking so many bad shots? Has anyone noticed how his shooting percentage has steadily climbed throughout the year. What's up with his improved D?

Then there's the fact that LB was all over Joe about getting Sheed the entire year...even when the rest of the league and it's coaches were leary of him.

Also this Piston's team is forcing turnovers and running like they never would've under Rick Carlisle. If for no other reason, I love watching Larry Brown's basketball team because it looks more like basketball than scrums out there. Detroit can play tough yet still not look like a train wreck on offense. I love watching their ball movement, fast breaks, alley oops, crashing the boards, ball hawking, trapping, and pressuring defense...which are all things I don't think we would've seen under Carlisle. RC has a pretty athletic team with lots of offensive talent in Indiana and they still don't force the kinds of turnovers, run, and move the ball the way the Pistons do. I truly wonder if Carlisle's style of coaching is too limited for his teams to ever go the distance.

[OneBadMutha]

Re: Pistons vs. Bucks: First Round Thread

...oh, and while we are on topic about some of Joe Dumars' decisions...can we finally put to rest the entire issue of Larry Brown over Rick Carlisle. Even if Carlise's Pacers beat Detroit I'm not going to change my opinion about LB being the right move for this team. These Piston players have developed individually and as a team to be better regardless of the next coach.

Anyone notice Rip lately? What's up with all those assist? What's up with his ball hawking and turnover forcing defense?

What's up with Ben Wallace getting all those points...and not have all those points only come off of put backs. How about some of those moves he used in the post in game 1.

Before Chauncy's injury...what's up with him looking like a true point guard? Wasn't that supposed to be impossible with him?

What's up with Corliss not taking so many bad shots? Has anyone noticed how his shooting percentage has steadily climbed throughout the year. What's up with his improved D?

Then there's the fact that LB was all over Joe about getting Sheed the entire year...even when the rest of the league and it's coaches were leary of him.

Also this Piston's team is forcing turnovers and running like they never would've under Rick Carlisle. If for no other reason, I love watching Larry Brown's basketball team because it looks more like basketball than scrums out there. Detroit can play tough yet still not look like a train wreck on offense. I love watching their ball movement, fast breaks, alley oops, crashing the boards, ball hawking, trapping, and pressuring defense...which are all things I don't think we would've seen under Carlisle. RC has a pretty athletic team with lots of offensive talent in Indiana and they still don't force the kinds of turnovers, run, and move the ball the way the Pistons do. I truly wonder if Carlisle's style of coaching is too limited for his teams to ever go the distance.

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This should be a good one.

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Re: Pistons vs. Bucks: First Round Thread

This should be a good one.

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Re: Pistons vs. Bucks: First Round Thread

This should be a good one.

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bucks still up Double Digits

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Re: Pistons vs. Bucks: First Round Thread

bucks still up Double Digits