2014 Off-Season Thread

[dsallupinyaarea]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

They should have let him back just so we could see his reaction to LeBron leaving Miami.



Bill Simmons is still an idiot. That 900,000 they didn't pay Parsons wouldn't have kept them from landing Bosh or Carmelo. They would have still had the room to give them a max and kept Parsons without having to overpay him 15 million. Morey got lucky that OKC was stupid enough to basically trade Harden for Perkins and Dwight to be stupid enough to opt into a contract with a team he didn't want to be on and Kobe being Kobe. Props to him for getting Duh to sign on there for less, no doubt. But overpaying Lin and Asik and landing Ariza now isn't cause to jump out and say that people were overreacting with the backlash of this year. He ****ed up plain and simple and couldn't luck his way out of this one. We'll see if he can bounce back, but I doubt it, because he'll be swinging for the fences in FA again next year and the year after I'm certain.

The highlighted portion kinda proves the point of the article. Morey doesn't get credit for landing a 1st team all NBA SG because OKC was stupid? huh? Prime example of the backlash getting out of hand.

[ojandpizza]

2014 Off-Season Thread

Forcing myself to stay away from the Klay vs. Kyrie topic.. For you 23 lol

But I do not believe Klay is worth that money. He's a 2nd or 3rd option, whichever you want to call it doesn't matter really, and he puts up good numbers playing next to Curry.

Just gauging his value amongst other shooting guards I'm not sure he needs to be amongst the highest paid. Scoring is fairly easy to replace, and yes he plays defense but we need to stop getting carried away with how much value his defense adds. He's not a DPOY the year candidate, he's not going to make the All-Defensive team (or even come close), and just because he is a two way player it doesn't propel him into some higher level of ranking. Example he's not a prime D Wade just because he plays both ends, he's not even currently an All Star level player.

And these guys who "don't play defense" definitely aren't such a liability that their man is just dicing them up all game long lol.

There a quite a few shooting guards who I think have more potential as primary scorers than him, there are players who are much more well rounded than him, and there are players who are plenty capable of giving equal scoring production as him..

But just for a quick "money ball" like comparison.. If Klay deserves a max what do we consider Afflalo? Equal scoring yet Afflalo has a higher FG%, higher 3%, higher FT%, arguably plays better or at least equal defense, and arguably a better ball handler and passer... You think he's ever going to sniff anywhere close to a max deal?

Anyways, I really like Klay and really enjoy watching the Curry and Klay duo. I hope they can keep him around, but I cannot see him deserving the max.. But then again, everyone is getting overpaid right now so who knows. Curry's contract being lower than what he probably deserves does give them some flexibility.


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[AC]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

oj, I'm not arguing that Klay deserves the max, but GMs are buying future production, not past production. So Afflalo might have put up this stats previously, but over the life of their contracts, I'd say Klay projects to put up more value based on his age and history. So that would justify giving Klay more than Afflalo.

[turty11]

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klays getting the max, or at the least 12-14 a year.

its just how the nba is now, you get paid for potential not production

[cavsfan2]

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I feel like Klays perceived value gets a massive boost by being one of the "splash brothers"

[ojandpizza]

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oj, I'm not arguing that Klay deserves the max, but GMs are buying future production, not past production. So Afflalo might have put up this stats previously, but over the life of their contracts, I'd say Klay projects to put up more value based on his age and history. So that would justify giving Klay more than Afflalo.

Definitely agree. But GS isn't in a position where they desperately need Klay.

Like a Utah giving Hayward the max, they were in a position where they had to do that. He's their best all around player, and Utah is definitely not a free agent destination.

My point is, if GS were to let someone else grab Klay for that amount of money they would still have Curry, Iggy, Barnes, and Green. And if they still felt they needed a better shooting threat they could go sign someone like Afflalo. In that case they get basically mirrored production at less than half the cost.

It's tough to predict player development. But unless Klay becomes a Kobe, Wade, Harden level player I can't see it being worth the risk for GS. They already have big contracts on their books and will eventually have to give Curry a big deal as well, if they plan on keeping him.


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[DJ_Solis]

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Agreed. Let him go to a team where chucking isn't encouraged as much and see what happens. He's good, but I see him as a glorified catch and shoot guy.

It's not even that though. Just put him on a team where he doesn't have someone to consistently create good looks for him and he's going to struggle.


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[23]

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I would trade him if he refuses to sign for anything other than the max.

I don't think he's worth that. He's worth a sizeable contract but not the max man, c'mon

[ojandpizza]

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klays getting the max, or at the least 12-14 a year.

its just how the nba is now, you get paid for potential not production

But what are we hyping his potential up to? He's not an elite athlete like DeRozan, he's not an elite ball handler like Harden. Most people here admittedly claim he's not great at getting his own shot, he doesn't get himself to the free throw line, and he's already way overpassed what he was projected to become as a defender.. And he already needs 7 threes a game just to reach the scoring production he currently gives.

Basically I think he's in a perfect spot playing off Curry. Some team is going to overpay him, throw him into a first option role and he's going to struggle, IMO.

If I were GS I would go ahead and put him in the trade for Love but demand Kevin Martin in return. He's been putting up Klay-level production (and better) for years now and could replace his loss fairly easily IMO.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Everybody's overrated on OS and everybody is underrated on OS, lol.

Get talked about too much = Overrated

Get talked about too little = Underrated

I look at it like this: Every player's value is going to different for every team and it doesn't necessarily make them underrated or overrated in general.

[ubernoob]

Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

Everybody's overrated on OS and everybody is underrated on OS, lol.

Get talked about too much = Overrated

Get talked about too little = Underrated

I look at it like this: Every player's value is going to different for every team and it doesn't necessarily make them underrated or overrated in general.

Get that nonsense outta here.

We don't like level heads on our message boards.

[JODYE]

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Damn, spent all that time writing that post and 23 swoops in and deletes...smh.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Good job, Ernie...

Oodles of NBA free agents remain available. Largely fringe roster types, backbenchers and so on. Included on that list, Jan Vesely. Actually the ex-Wizard might have found himself a team, but not stateside.
According to reports, the 6-foot-11 forward from the Czech Republic has agreed to terms with Fenerbache Ulker from the Turkish Basketball League. With the help of Google Translate, the report indicates Vesely is expected to arrive in Istanbul next week to finalize a deal.
Fenerache is consistently one of he elite teams in Europe. Bogdan Bogdanovic, drafted in the 2014 first round by the Phoenix Suns, will play for Fenerache next season.
Fair to say Vesely's three-year NBA stint was largely a disappointment ever since the WIzards selected him sixth overall in the 2011 draft. Though gifted athletically and a hard worker defensively and on the boards, Vesely offense and confidence rarely translated into success. He averaged 3.6 points and 3.5 rebounds in 162 career games with Washington and Denver.
The most glaring weakness came with the ball in his hand. Vesely's trips to the free throw line were often filled with dread for the players and those watching. He went 8 for 30 this past season with the Wizards and shot 40.8 percent over his three seasons
The Wizards shipped Vesely at the 2014 NBA trading deadline for point guard Andre Miller. The acquisition of the veteran point guard helped solidify Washington's rotation and boost the eventual playoff run.
If indeed Vesely heads back across the pond, don't think this will be the last we hear of him. Vesely thrived playing for his country in Eurobasket last season and plenty of international tournaments are out there, including the FIBA World Cup and the Olympics.
Blessed with good basketball instincts, Vesely knows how to play the game. At some point the confidence will kick in, or it won't. Realistically, his chances of reaching that next level start with receiving consistent minutes. That's not happening in the NBA, which makes a move back overseas the wise path.
Until we meet again, Jan. At least we'll always have this.

[23]

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2 more jerseys

[turty11]

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But what are we hyping his potential up to?

my belief is that hes regarded as all-star caliber talent around the front offices, atleast the talk he gets from the media/sideline crews during games would lead to this belief.

Hes arguably top 5 at his position and a top 10 2-way wing... i dont want this to be discussed cuz 23 gon rage but thats what i think the front offices believe.

and all-star caliber = max now with all the money floating around. Is that max coming from GSW? who knows, but i expect him to get it from someone



btw jan veseley is going overseas Via Emiliano Carchia/Sportando


AND KILL ME NOW, celtics signing evan turner >< Via Steve Bulpett/Boston Herald