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  • AntiBandwagoner
    Pro
    • Jan 2013
    • 963

    #6691
    Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

    Originally posted by OSUFan_88
    It would be really dirty of the Bulls to sign Mirotic and then trade him in a deal to the T-Wolves.
    They can't until 30 days have passed since his signing.

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    • TMagic
      G.O.A.T.
      • Apr 2007
      • 7550

      #6692
      2014 Off-Season Thread

      Originally posted by 13
      I was going to say, did we forget about Chris Bosh going from 24 and 11 to 18 and 8 immediately?

      You can expect the same from Love if he goes to Cleveland.

      I dont like that argument. It makes it sound as if a players skill drops or their value is likened to another player who is putting up those same numbers.

      Sure Loves numbers will drop. But his "averages" dont tell the full story.

      There will be games where love is going to drop 35/40 points or grab 15/20 rebounds. There will be games where his play will be the biggest reason they get the W. There will be stretches where he will have completely taken over the game and kept his team in it. Or sparked a rally himself.

      Thats where his true value lies. Not in his average production because he isnt going to be needed to drop 25 or 30 for this team on a nightly basis. So yes his average will drop. But there will be games where they will need a big game from him to get the win, or to carry the team for a stretch and thats when having him on the team will be of true value.

      Im not saying I agree with trying to trade to get him now. Im just saying that adding a guy like Love pays off big time despite what statistics will tell us.
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      • Rocky
        All Star
        • Jul 2002
        • 6896

        #6693
        Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

        Originally posted by TMagic
        I dont like that argument. It makes it sound as if a players skill drops or their value is likened to another player who is putting up those same numbers.

        Sure Loves numbers will drop. But his "averages" dont tell the full story.

        There will be games where love is going to drop 35/40 points or grab 15/20 rebounds. There will be games where his play will be the biggest reason they get the W. There will be stretches where he will have completely taken over the game and kept his team in it. Or sparked a rally himself.

        Thats where his true value lies. Not in his average production because he isnt going to be needed to drop 25 or 30 for this team on a nightly basis. So yes his average will drop. But there will be games where they will need a big game from him to get the win, or to carry the team for a stretch and thats when having him on the team will be of true value.

        Im not saying I agree with trying to trade to get him now. Im just saying that adding a guy like Love pays off big time despite what statistics will tell us.
        I think the question is do you want to offer the max to a 17 and 7 guy...especially when you have two other players (including 1 that has the same question marks Love has) that are on maximum contracts.
        "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
        -Rocky Balboa

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        • Rocky
          All Star
          • Jul 2002
          • 6896

          #6694
          Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

          Also I think the intrigue of Wiggins is what turns this into a debate. At this point, we know what Kevin Love is. It's the fact that Wiggins can be the next great superstar player that would make me pause as a GM.
          "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
          -Rocky Balboa

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          • JODYE
            JB4MVP
            • May 2012
            • 4834

            #6695
            Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

            I dont like that argument. It makes it sound as if a players skill drops or their value is likened to another player who is putting up those same numbers.

            Sure Loves numbers will drop. But his "averages" dont tell the full story.

            There will be games where love is going to drop 35/40 points or grab 15/20 rebounds. There will be games where his play will be the biggest reason they get the W. There will be stretches where he will have completely taken over the game and kept his team in it. Or sparked a rally himself.

            Thats where his true value lies. Not in his average production because he isnt going to be needed to drop 25 or 30 for this team on a nightly basis. So yes his average will drop. But there will be games where they will need a big game from him to get the win, or to carry the team for a stretch and thats when having him on the team will be of true value.

            Im not saying I agree with trying to trade to get him now. Im just saying that adding a guy like Love pays off big time despite what statistics will tell us.
            But if Love isn't producing offensively, then what is he doing?

            He is a notoriously bad defender, and 99% of his value, comes from what he does with the basketball is in his hand.

            His value is currently being inflated by the fact that Minnesota has virtually no one else that can score the basketball. You can expect that if Love is the third option, his on court value will diminish. Especially seeing he isn't effecting the game defensively.

            Yes, he will draw attention away from LeBron, but so will Kyrie, so will Wiggins if retained, and so will Waiters.

            So in the case of Love, stats do tell most of the story.
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            • JazzMan
              SOLDIER, First Class...
              • Feb 2012
              • 13547

              #6696
              Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

              Guys, who the hell is Carrick Felix?
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              • I Djm
                MVP
                • Feb 2011
                • 1297

                #6697
                Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                Originally posted by JazzMan
                Guys, who the hell is Carrick Felix?
                Played on the cavs for 2 yrs i think
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                • turty11
                  All Star
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 8923

                  #6698
                  Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                  Originally posted by JazzMan
                  Guys, who the hell is Carrick Felix?
                  lol he was a rookie last year from one of the arizona schools but he tore his ACL or something.

                  he can play, but he wont be anymore than a 5-10 minute a game guy probly lol
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                  • AntiBandwagoner
                    Pro
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 963

                    #6699
                    Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                    Originally posted by JazzMan
                    Guys, who the hell is Carrick Felix?
                    Per DraftExpress on his college days:

                    Looking forward, Felix is an intriguing prospect due to his physical tools and groundwork of two-way skills, but he's definitely a late bloomer who still is rough around the edges in most areas despite turning 22 before his senior season. Still, he's shown a very steep learning curve in the past three years and that, combined with his high motor and athletic abilities make him a player a team could be willing to invest development in.
                    He's really just an athletic defensive motor.

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                    • King_B_Mack
                      All Star
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 24450

                      #6700
                      Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                      I'd say that Bosh's rebounding dip is more about his own laziness and playing on the perimeter more than anything. LeBron wasn't a double digit rebounding guy in Miami. There is no reason Bosh should have been getting 6-7 rebound per game seasons down there. Boozer was still averaging 8-9 rebounds a game despite playing with Noah averaging 10+ and splitting big minutes with Taj. Rebounding is about effort. Love isn't going to take a dip that drastic just because he's playing with LeBron


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                      • JODYE
                        JB4MVP
                        • May 2012
                        • 4834

                        #6701
                        Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                        But do the Cavs really need rebounding that desperately?

                        Without Love, or LeBron for that matter, they were the 5th best team in the East rebounding the basketball.
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                        • turty11
                          All Star
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 8923

                          #6702
                          Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                          andy and lebron alone will get you 17+ boards a game combined, TT probly be around 6-8, kyrie/SG will get you 2-3 each...

                          the thing with love rebounding is it will allow lebron to get out in transition more, ultimately leading to more "easy" buckets.

                          i still dont think the trade is worth it if wiggins goes but who am i to run the cavs
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                          • ojandpizza
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 29807

                            #6703
                            Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                            Originally posted by JazzMan
                            Guys, who the hell is Carrick Felix?

                            Hot garbage lol


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                            • ojandpizza
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 29807

                              #6704
                              Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                              Originally posted by 13
                              But do the Cavs really need rebounding that desperately?

                              Without Love, or LeBron for that matter, they were the 5th best team in the East rebounding the basketball.

                              EXACTLY! And they just added LeBron and Wiggins.. They could easily be a top 3 rebounding group next year.


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                              • ojandpizza
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 29807

                                #6705
                                Re: 2014 Off-Season Thread

                                Everyone still ignoring that Kevin Love has never stayed healthy for a full season of basketball yet, nor does he have playoff experience.


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