How good is Kobe?

**SoMiss2000** · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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The funny thing is, kobe got himself in this situation (being a sidekick to shaq) when he didnt want to play for lowely Charlotte and wanted to be traded to play for a big market team.

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Without Shaq, he'd be having more games like he did Sunday

<hr /></blockquote>so without shaq, you don't think he could put up 30 per game over the course of a season win or lose? since he has shaq, I guess he can't be considered a great player yet. Maybe I should have left MJ out of the equation.

**DueceDiggla** · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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KDRE said:
So when PP, Tmac BD get in the zone they are unstoppable too

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Baron and Pierce are nowhere near the player Kobe is. McGrady is right there next to him, but to me Kobe has gained the edge. He goes up against tougher competition night in and night out, he's played very well in huge games for LA.

**DueceDiggla** · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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KDRE said:
So when PP, Tmac BD get in the zone they are unstoppable too

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Baron and Pierce are nowhere near the player Kobe is. McGrady is right there next to him, but to me Kobe has gained the edge. He goes up against tougher competition night in and night out, he's played very well in huge games for LA.

**DueceDiggla** · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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KDRE said:
So when PP, Tmac BD get in the zone they are unstoppable too

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Baron and Pierce are nowhere near the player Kobe is. McGrady is right there next to him, but to me Kobe has gained the edge. He goes up against tougher competition night in and night out, he's played very well in huge games for LA.

**jordan0386** · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

lemme put it this way...if kobe doesnt go to jail

he's the best player in the nba the next ten seasons

(lets argue)

**jordan0386** · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

lemme put it this way...if kobe doesnt go to jail

he's the best player in the nba the next ten seasons

(lets argue)

**jordan0386** · 06-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

lemme put it this way...if kobe doesnt go to jail

he's the best player in the nba the next ten seasons

(lets argue)

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:37 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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SportsmanTO said:
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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

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Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

<hr /></blockquote>Kobe only had Shaq for the first 3 rings with a nice supporting cast. Jordan had Pippen and a very good comparable supporting cast.

All I wanted is for some non-biased people give an objective opinion of how good this guy is and can he be on the same level of MJ by the time he reaches his prime. IMO, he's a very good player. Who cares about supporting casts, legends, etc. I'm not judging just by tonite. I'm looking at the entire playoffs. Guy gets out of court, flys to LA or wherever and drops 40.

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So you're judging by his last playoff game too? 10-27?

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:37 PM

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SoMiss2000 said:
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SportsmanTO said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

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Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

<hr /></blockquote>Kobe only had Shaq for the first 3 rings with a nice supporting cast. Jordan had Pippen and a very good comparable supporting cast.

All I wanted is for some non-biased people give an objective opinion of how good this guy is and can he be on the same level of MJ by the time he reaches his prime. IMO, he's a very good player. Who cares about supporting casts, legends, etc. I'm not judging just by tonite. I'm looking at the entire playoffs. Guy gets out of court, flys to LA or wherever and drops 40.

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So you're judging by his last playoff game too? 10-27?

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:37 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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SoMiss2000 said:
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SportsmanTO said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

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Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

<hr /></blockquote>Kobe only had Shaq for the first 3 rings with a nice supporting cast. Jordan had Pippen and a very good comparable supporting cast.

All I wanted is for some non-biased people give an objective opinion of how good this guy is and can he be on the same level of MJ by the time he reaches his prime. IMO, he's a very good player. Who cares about supporting casts, legends, etc. I'm not judging just by tonite. I'm looking at the entire playoffs. Guy gets out of court, flys to LA or wherever and drops 40.

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So you're judging by his last playoff game too? 10-27?

**EWRMETS** · 06-08-2004, 11:37 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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SportsmanTO said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

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Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

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Pippen was a great player, and it is unfair to say that Pippen fell off after Jordan left because he didn't in 1994, and after 1998, Pippen was already old. The Bulls won 55 games in 1994 without Jordan, and lost in the 2nd round in seven games. If his support cast was so terrible, they wouldn't have been able to do this. The players that Jordan played with (Pippen, Ho Grant, Paxon, Armstrong, Kerr, Harper, Rodman, Kukoc) are vastly underrated in terms of what they meant to the team. If you actually watch old Bulls games, Jordan was incredible but his teammates were not scrubs. I don't know why all the Kobe haters want to make it seem like he isn't even close to Jordan...of course he is. While I'd still say Jordan is better, Kobe is very close, and one day might even be better. Open your eyes, Kobe is insane.

**EWRMETS** · 06-08-2004, 11:37 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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SportsmanTO said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

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Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

<hr /></blockquote>

Pippen was a great player, and it is unfair to say that Pippen fell off after Jordan left because he didn't in 1994, and after 1998, Pippen was already old. The Bulls won 55 games in 1994 without Jordan, and lost in the 2nd round in seven games. If his support cast was so terrible, they wouldn't have been able to do this. The players that Jordan played with (Pippen, Ho Grant, Paxon, Armstrong, Kerr, Harper, Rodman, Kukoc) are vastly underrated in terms of what they meant to the team. If you actually watch old Bulls games, Jordan was incredible but his teammates were not scrubs. I don't know why all the Kobe haters want to make it seem like he isn't even close to Jordan...of course he is. While I'd still say Jordan is better, Kobe is very close, and one day might even be better. Open your eyes, Kobe is insane.

**EWRMETS** · 06-08-2004, 11:37 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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SportsmanTO said:
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SoMiss2000 said:
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would really like to see how Kobe does with his OWN team and not surrounded by legends or even sharing the spotlight with arguably the most dominant center since Bill Russell.

<hr /></blockquote> Then he'd be even more like Jordan in his early years.

<hr /></blockquote>

Maybe so but remember Jordan didn't have legends surrounding him (at least in the first 3 championships) sure he had Pippen but we all know that Pippen was made better by having Jordan with him. Just look at his career after playing with MJ.

<hr /></blockquote>

Pippen was a great player, and it is unfair to say that Pippen fell off after Jordan left because he didn't in 1994, and after 1998, Pippen was already old. The Bulls won 55 games in 1994 without Jordan, and lost in the 2nd round in seven games. If his support cast was so terrible, they wouldn't have been able to do this. The players that Jordan played with (Pippen, Ho Grant, Paxon, Armstrong, Kerr, Harper, Rodman, Kukoc) are vastly underrated in terms of what they meant to the team. If you actually watch old Bulls games, Jordan was incredible but his teammates were not scrubs. I don't know why all the Kobe haters want to make it seem like he isn't even close to Jordan...of course he is. While I'd still say Jordan is better, Kobe is very close, and one day might even be better. Open your eyes, Kobe is insane.

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:37 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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jordan0386 said:
lemme put it this way...if kobe doesnt go to jail

he's the best player in the nba the next ten seasons

(lets argue)

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Not with Shaq around

23 · 06-08-2004, 11:37 PM

Re: How good is Kobe?

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jordan0386 said:
lemme put it this way...if kobe doesnt go to jail

he's the best player in the nba the next ten seasons

(lets argue)

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Not with Shaq around

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