11/11 - 11/17 Games Discussion Thread

[TajDeni]

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If say of it wasn't for guys like Gasol he'd have won nothing at all. It's not a surprise he only has 1 mvp and 1 finals mvp both are controversial.

But other than that we agree...I just think it's best to call it what it is and not use others to excuse it.

truthfully he needed all of his teammates; not just gasol. that being said he was the main driving force behind those titles.

anyways what does YoloKobe mean? i know what yolo means but is there a story behind how the 2 words got put together?

[bpietro]

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truthfully he needed all of his teammates; not just gasol. that being said he was the main driving force behind those titles.

anyways what does YoloKobe mean? i know what yolo means but is there a story behind how the 2 words got put together?

I think it's because he is playing like crazy like there is no tomorrow, lol.

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Not disagreeing with you. What I don't like is the irrational comments about Kobe. It just gets annoying. Lebron doesn't win without Wade, Jordan doesn't win without Pippen. So what ?

Non of that has anything to do with making excuses for the constant chucking.

It's funny how people blame his teammates for his bad shooting and not him. I just ridiculous. I'm talking here and now.

...and no I'm not that guy. But it is proven without a dominant big taking the attention Bean hasn't done much of anything

[Vni]

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What legit team Kobe had without a dominant big ?

Either he had one or his team flat out sucked so that doesn't hold much. And Pau Gasol was great but dominant ? Not sure about that.

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What legit team Kobe had without a dominant big ?

Either he had one or his team flat out sucked so that doesn't hold much. And Pau Gasol was great but dominant ? Not sure about that.

I think you're missing the point and changing the subject altogether to be honest.

I think taj got it so I'll leave it at that. YOLOKobe can keep doing whatever he's doing.

He holds that new record now as of last nights game and it's going to get even bigger.

I wonder if he'll let Nick Young outdo him when he returns.

[Vni]

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I didn't change the subject and I don't excuse Kobe when he plays bad.

Actually I call him out when he does, and I did earlier this season. Now that last game, the Lakers remained competitive all the way through against a far superior team and Kobe definately had a positive impact on the game. He had rebounds, steals, points and assists and until the 4th quarter I didn't see him disrupt the offense like he sometimes does. I didn't see too many forced shots either. I saw bad shots, I saw end of shotclock shots and I saw a lot of easy ones that he isn't used to miss.

[Streaky McFloorburn]

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Here's a little more info just for fun. I first looked at every 40+ attempt game from the list.

Jordan: 27/49 (L), 21/43 (L), 17/43 (L), 19/43 (L), .
Webber: 24/47 (L)
Kobe: 17/47 (L), 28/46 (his 81 point game & a W), 22/45 (L), 21/44 (W), 19/44 (L), 16/41 (W), 17/41 (W), 19/41 (L), 18/40 (W).
Iverson: 21/42 (W), 20/40 (L), 20/40 (W)
Nique: 17/42 (L)
D. Robinson: 26/41 (his 71 point final game of the season to clinch the scoring title, W)
Z. Randolph: 16/40 (W)
Olajuwon: 24/40 (L)
Shaq: 21/40 (W)

10 wins, 12 losses for the 40+ shot club - but for what it's worth; the players generally thought of as the worst chuckers (Kobe 5-4 & AI 2-1) each won more than they lost shooting at that volume. Even going down the entire list, which stops at 36 attempts; Kobe maintains a winning record at 12-11, while Iverson was remarkably successful at 11-2.

MJ had a 9-14 record (4-5 in Bulls championship seasons, 1-0 as a Wizard) when taking 36+ shots. Three other players, Tracy McGrady (1-5), Dominique Wilkins (3-2), and Antawn Jamison (0-3 - all during his rookie year) appear on the list more than twice.

[SteelersFreak]

Re: 11/11 - 11/17 Games Discussion Thread

Biggest difference is that it's a common occurrence for Kobe. Look how often his name is on that list.


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I was about to say, he references Jordan, but you don't see Jordan's name appear on the list again, its almost all Kobe.

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So what's a good matchup on tonight?

[ojandpizza]

11/11 - 11/17 Games Discussion Thread

Not disagreeing with you. What I don't like is the irrational comments about Kobe. It just gets annoying. Lebron doesn't win without Wade, Jordan doesn't win without Pippen. So what ?

I definitely agree with you, and you always hear those type of comments, whether it's about Kobe, LeBron, whoever..

But I don't think the big picture is about just winning.. No LeBron didn't win without Wade, but he did maximize what he had, and made every player around him better.. That's where Kobe falls short in comparison to some of the other guys..

Not going to try and overrate Boozer or Lin but neither of them are complete garbage the way they are made out to be in LA.. And Hill is a walking double-double.. They aren't being maximized to their full potential right now. We had people saying this team could steal a playoff spot at the start of the year, and all they've lost since then is Randle and now they are garbage so Kobe should shoot every time.

As the league progresses farther away from guys taking 25 shots a game, and the pace continues to slow, and more emphasis is placed on percentages and stats, Kobe is just going to take a lot of flak. He wouldn't have gotten quite this much criticism 20 years ago.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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If he misses 13 shots tonight, he'll pass John Havlicek for most missed shots in NBA History and depending on how you feel about Bryant, it'll be a bad thing or an acceptable thing to take with Kobe.

Like I said.

[Vni]

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Well Lin and Boozer aren't terrible but they don't have much of an impact on a NBA game... That's why Lin's spot was taken by beverly and that's why Boozer didn't finish the games. Lin looks to me like he's just a fastbreak player. I think his basketball IQ is low and his handles are more than suspects. He also seems alergic to taking that mid range shot when he turns the corner and rather run right into the D instead...

Lin has been a huge disapointment to me so far...

Boozer is ok but he's what ? A third or 4th scoring option who doesn't play much defense... I mean the team is pretty rough. Still waiting on Kelly and Young but they're just Kelly and Young... They add depth and outside shooting... It will help a bit but that's about it.

Kind of a shame... They coulda had Lance and Isiah Thomas...

[TajDeni]

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double post

[TajDeni]

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Nobody wins rings on their own, Kobe has just looked really bad when he doesn't have great players around him to draw defenses away.

He doesn't use his teammates enough to his advantage or make them better, instead he wants to carry them. As good as he is he's just never. been the guy that brings 5 people together for the betterment of the team He just thinks he can carry them himself and that's what he tries to do.

Even when he does make lots of plays or have a big assist game, it's a direct result of his scoring and the attention the defense gives him.. He isn't him setting guys up, seeing plays that are three passes away, putting guys in the spots they need to be in, making them all better.. Obviously he's one of the greatest to ever play, but out of all the stars I've ever watched he has the absolute worst tunnel vision of them all offensively.

And I'm not saying he should have been a past first player, or more of a playmaking guard.. He's obviously a scorer and he should look to score.. But there is a big difference in scoring within your team, and leading them together, than their is in trying to carry them all and not putting them in position to succeed.




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and the highlighted part above is exactly why in the basketball community there is this great divide over kobe.

look i get why some folks are not entralled with kobe; and honestly some of the criticism, whether true or not, atleast stands on valid legs. but quite honestly a good bit doesnt imo

[ojandpizza]

Re: 11/11 - 11/17 Games Discussion Thread

Taj I haven't saw you in forever man, where the hell have you been?


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