I agree with skillz, AI shoots his team out of games--and that finals team was not garbage--it did consists of the defensive player of the year, sixth man of the year, and coach of the year !--yo, Zig--you gotta come better than that with the knowledge bro--there's too many people here who know what they are talking about..AI is a good player but he's not complete--he's very one demensional--I would pick, Kobe, T-Mac, Carter, Allen--damn--I might even pick up Finley before I'd pick AI. Imagine Kobe shooting a zillion shots a game like that--geez he'd average like 45-50 pts a game.
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I agree with skillz, AI shoots his team out of games--and that finals team was not garbage--it did consists of the defensive player of the year, sixth man of the year, and coach of the year !--yo, Zig--you gotta come better than that with the knowledge bro--there's too many people here who know what they are talking about..AI is a good player but he's not complete--he's very one demensional--I would pick, Kobe, T-Mac, Carter, Allen--damn--I might even pick up Finley before I'd pick AI. Imagine Kobe shooting a zillion shots a game like that--geez he'd average like 45-50 pts a game. -
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Imagine Kobe shooting a zillion shots a game like that--geez he'd average like 45-50 pts a game.
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Ok let's play another stupid game you goose, imagine swapping Kobe for Iverson. The 76ers with fro-boy don't even make the playoffs, Kobe has career low in fg% , TO's, assists and career high in shot attempts and points per game...Comment
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I'm sorry Mad, I usually agree with your posts, but I gotta disagree wit you this time....
ZigZag was right, the 2000 76ers team WAS GARBAGE. I mean, look at who he has playin with him. Mutumbo is barely an offensive factor, and he has probably the worst hands ever, so that negates him as a low-post option for AI. McKcie is decent at best. Snow is a HORRIBLE shooter, man his fielid goal percentage is even LOWER than AI's, now thats sad. Ratliff is a hard collar worker, but not a major offesnsive contributor. AI pretty much carried this team on his back. Zig was right, also, in that passing the ball off to his teammates usually resulted in CLANG. True, the Sixers did have Defensive Player of the Year, but what good is 3-4 blocks a game if you can't put the ball in the hole?
Oh yeah, and I'd pick T-Mac over Kobe anyday. Kobe definately gets better looks with a much better crew. Also, T-Mac grabs around 8 boards a game, compared to Kobe's 5-6.Comment
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If his (AI's) passing usually resulted in a clang how come his shooting percentage was below his team's average shooting percentage that year?
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If his (AI's) passing usually resulted in a clang how come his shooting percentage was below his team's average shooting percentage that year?
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Um, lets see, cause maybe AI was CONSISTENTLY double-triple teamed up near the arc.... its kinda hard to have a good FG % like that. Of course its gonna be low if he constantly is forced to put up 30-40 shots a game. It would be rather sad if the teams average, which obviously they had MUCH BETTER5 LOOKS, was lower than Ai's average, who had horrible looks.Comment
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No Jay.
You justified why AI is a good player. He can create shots for hs teamates.
But you can't claim it's better for AI to ignore his teamates and just chuck it up there because they "clang" the shots when he shoots below his own teams average. You avoided the issue alltogether in a fit of emotion.
Obviously, it would be better for AI to pass more when he gets doubled team.
And there's one more aspect to this. AI isn't double teamed all that much. The only time you can say he gets doubled is when he breaks down a defender and gets into the paint, and thats not really a double team as much as thats just what in the paint.
Rarely will you ever see the team double AI outside of the pain, and this is where he has been taking a lot of shots lately. And because he's short, he ends up taking these weird twisting fade aways and what not. These shots need to be cut down a little as well.
To become a truely dominant player on a consistant basis, AI needs better shot selection and to pass out of the double team. At leats until his teamates shooting drops below his own level, but that shouldn't happen because as you say, he gets them good looks.Comment
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Liquid, I agree that AI creates looks for his teammates, but what good are looks if they can't consistently drain the open jumper? I mean, AI had NO options to dump the ball to when he was double-tripled. Dump it off to Mutombo aka butter fingers? How bout Snow, who, I will emphasize again, show BELOW AI'S FG% with 418. He sure as hell ain't gonna make the open trey.
Also, you really shouldn't rely on stats on that much. True, AI shot below the team FG%-wise. But considering how Mutomobo and Ratliff, who really aren't options when AI gets doubled down low, have %'s near 600, and Snow and McKie, who really are the only options out at the perimeter when teh double-team comes, have much lower %'s, it really skews the team average %. I don't mean this in an antagonistic tone, but try watching soem clips of the 2000 season. The Sixers would just have a better chance of scoring when AI drove to teh hoop and drawed the foul, instead of swinging the ball out to Snow and Mckie, whose 3P% were horrible may I add.Comment
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I love how people think that Iverson is calling his own plays or something! You don't think the coach notices this? This isn't a pick-up game! They are running all of these plays to iverson. And liquid, you obviously don't watch many sixers games because he alays gets doubled/trippled!Comment
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AI has to be the leauge's biggest ball hog and shoot poorly because he has too. I give up.
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I with you MadSkillz and LiquidRage. AI is overrated, and I'm surprised so many people in here are defending him. I think maybe he just has some really hard core supporters, because if you look at the poll numbers, Kobe is destroying both him and T-Mac. And his team was NOT that bad when they went to the Finals.
In my opinion, it's close, but I'd take Kobe over T-Mac. Iverson is tough and you gotta admire his attitude and confidence, but he's nowhere near as complete a player as Kobe or McGrady. Good try though all you AI-backers.Comment
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nowhere near as complete a player as Kobe or McGrady
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...and by complete, you mean what? Complete all-round stats? Well it's pretty stupid to compared them from guys 6-8 and above to a tiny 6 footer.
Iverson has proved himself, the other two hopefuls have not.
The NBA has changed so much. You used to have to prove yourself, not just over quite a few years, but in tough situations and on teams that aren't loaded with talent. Too many young players get hailed as the next big thing, then with a flash game or two they already are that thing. It's an absolute insult to the great former players how much attention and undeserved credit so many players get these days.Comment
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The choice is really between Kobe and T-Mac. For me personally, I think Tmac is better, I think he is the best player in the league right now. His offensive skills are slightly higher than kobe's. He has a more consistent jumper, whether it be mid-range or especially Three pointers. His defense is slightly better, obviously because of his height and wingspan. Kobe just doesn't have a good consistent jumper, I will say however he is a better penetrator than Tmac. Overall though, Tmac is the better player.
of course, that just my opinion."Your character is who you really are, your reputation is what you're perceived to be by others" - John Wooden(former UCLA head coach)Comment
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