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  • TallTell
    Banned
    • May 2004
    • 297

    #181
    Re: What a shocker

    Originally posted by KDRE
    Well, if it's true that she was trying to leave when he stopped her from going out of the door, then come on man. 1st off he had no biz asking a woman up to his room. She shouldnt have went up there, and he is more at fault simply because he's the one that is married. He should show more maturity in the way he handled the entire trip. He snuck out for surgery on the team, put his bodyguards on a different floor, asked a single woman up to his room at night all alone, is that her fault too?

    It all depends on how you look at it, and the way the court has handled the case is completely rediculous. Promiscuous or not, it still doesnt say to me whether or not he didn't or did do it.

    I dont wanna hear who she's been with in her life, I want to know what happened in that room. Put both of em on the stand, and forget the technical legal lingo. Let's hear both sides, and any man in the courtroom with enough wisdom and legal sense can figure out the story sorting through it all afterwards.

    All your first paragraph proves it that Kobe wanted to have sex with her. Not a crime, he admitted to it. Putting the bodyguards on a different floor(which she did, not him), asking her to his room, etc... all have absolutely no relevance in regards to rape.

    You say ayone with any wisdom will be able to figure out which side is telling the truth. Do you realize that the lawyers have been over fabricated stories with their clients for months now? Both stories will probably contain lies, but both will be equally believable. It all comes down to who's telling the story. Credibility

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    • Slip
      MVP
      • Oct 2002
      • 1526

      #182
      Re: What a shocker

      Sure Kobe had no business up there with her in the first place, but why in the hell is she going to go up there anyways if he's married? He was stupid to invite her, she was stupid to oblige...both being because he's married.

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      • Slip
        MVP
        • Oct 2002
        • 1526

        #183
        Re: What a shocker

        Sure Kobe had no business up there with her in the first place, but why in the hell is she going to go up there anyways if he's married? He was stupid to invite her, she was stupid to oblige...both being because he's married.

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        • GeePee20
          MVP
          • Feb 2003
          • 3178

          #184
          Re: What a shocker

          Originally posted by KDRE
          I dont wanna hear who she's been with in her life, I want to know what happened in that room. Put both of em on the stand, and forget the technical legal lingo. Let's hear both sides, and any man in the courtroom with enough wisdom and legal sense can figure out the story sorting through it all afterwards.
          That doesn't solve anything. When it's one person's testimony against another's, you have to bring in credibility! We all know what the accuser and Kobe would say in a testimony. But they just cancel each other out. Kobe will say she wanted to have sex, she'll say Kobe forced his way on her.

          I know it may be harsh on the accuser that all of her sexual activity around the event are brought up but this serious. Everyone seems to only care about her rights but no one about Kobe. What if Kobe is innocent and he could go to jail? His entire life would be ruined. His life is already hugely affected because he will always be called a rapist even if proven innocent. Like someone said, his endorsements are gone.

          What I'm saying is that it is so unfair for some of you guys to say that it is ok to completely handicap the defense's case with legitimate evidence just because we want to protect the women's reputation and identity. I think it is stupid to care so much about the accuser's rights and reputation when Kobe is getting dragged through the mud.

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          • GeePee20
            MVP
            • Feb 2003
            • 3178

            #185
            Re: What a shocker

            Originally posted by KDRE
            I dont wanna hear who she's been with in her life, I want to know what happened in that room. Put both of em on the stand, and forget the technical legal lingo. Let's hear both sides, and any man in the courtroom with enough wisdom and legal sense can figure out the story sorting through it all afterwards.
            That doesn't solve anything. When it's one person's testimony against another's, you have to bring in credibility! We all know what the accuser and Kobe would say in a testimony. But they just cancel each other out. Kobe will say she wanted to have sex, she'll say Kobe forced his way on her.

            I know it may be harsh on the accuser that all of her sexual activity around the event are brought up but this serious. Everyone seems to only care about her rights but no one about Kobe. What if Kobe is innocent and he could go to jail? His entire life would be ruined. His life is already hugely affected because he will always be called a rapist even if proven innocent. Like someone said, his endorsements are gone.

            What I'm saying is that it is so unfair for some of you guys to say that it is ok to completely handicap the defense's case with legitimate evidence just because we want to protect the women's reputation and identity. I think it is stupid to care so much about the accuser's rights and reputation when Kobe is getting dragged through the mud.

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            • Shaver
              Legend
              • Jul 2002
              • 10148

              #186
              Re: What a shocker

              See...that's where this thread got OT...

              Everyone understands the virtue of a heresay...he said/she said case....BUT...that doesn't excuse the "accidental" leaks, web postings and other "mistakes" by the court. Not only should she file this civil case against Kobe...she should sue the Eagle County courthouse and the every employee responsible for its "mistakes".
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              • Shaver
                Legend
                • Jul 2002
                • 10148

                #187
                Re: What a shocker

                See...that's where this thread got OT...

                Everyone understands the virtue of a heresay...he said/she said case....BUT...that doesn't excuse the "accidental" leaks, web postings and other "mistakes" by the court. Not only should she file this civil case against Kobe...she should sue the Eagle County courthouse and the every employee responsible for its "mistakes".
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                • 23
                  yellow
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 66469

                  #188
                  Re: What a shocker

                  Originally posted by Clay_OS
                  See...that's where this thread got OT...

                  Everyone understands the virtue of a heresay...he said/she said case....BUT...that doesn't excuse the "accidental" leaks, web postings and other "mistakes" by the court. Not only should she file this civil case against Kobe...she should sue the Eagle County courthouse and the every employee responsible for its "mistakes".
                  I think this is all a disgrace to the court system IMO.


                  Letter to Judge Ruckriegle
                  My wife and I have sat in your courtroom for months now and have patiently and politely refrained from saying anything to you about what we have observed. However, your most recent behavior is so harmful to us that I can no longer remain silent.

                  Over the past year I have watched you in the courtroom in disbelief. From the outset, it has been painfully obvious that you treat the defense as if they can do no wrong and the prosecution and my daughter's attorney as if you have something against them or this case. Your inappropriate and continual jokes with Mr. Haddon on a matter so personal and traumatic to my family are insulting. At the same time, you seem to take every opportunity to publicly criticize the prosecution and my daughter's lawyer.

                  I sat quietly frustrated as we saw Kobe Bryant and his lawyers hold a national press conference to profess his alleged innocence. I have watched as leak after harmful leak has gone unpunished. I have watched the defense attorneys manipulate the public opinion of my daughter with their pleadings on your website while you did nothing.

                  One of the most recent mistakes regarding the transcript of the defendant's paid expert has been devastating to my daughter and my family. I don't know if you understand the harm your staff has caused. I was extremely disappointed that you ruled against Mr. Clune's motion to discontinue the electronic distribution of court documents and the prosecution's motion requesting delayed posting of court documents. One of these safeguards should have been put in place. You cannot guarantee that there will not be further errors.

                  Recently, my daughter's attorney has tried to minimize the harmful impact of your mistakes by speaking out on television for the first time. Your latest order prohibiting anyone from speaking out to help my daughter tells me that you wish to see the harmful effects of the court's errors continue. My family and I have lost trust that we can obtain a fair trial in your court.

                  Someday my daughter will be able to stop being the "alleged victim" as you say and rebuild her life. While you move on to your other cases, I only hope that you can someday realize the devastating impact your decisions in this case have had on victims and victim's rights across the nation.

                  Respectfully,
                  Father of the victim

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                  • 23
                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469

                    #189
                    Re: What a shocker

                    Originally posted by Clay_OS
                    See...that's where this thread got OT...

                    Everyone understands the virtue of a heresay...he said/she said case....BUT...that doesn't excuse the "accidental" leaks, web postings and other "mistakes" by the court. Not only should she file this civil case against Kobe...she should sue the Eagle County courthouse and the every employee responsible for its "mistakes".
                    I think this is all a disgrace to the court system IMO.


                    Letter to Judge Ruckriegle
                    My wife and I have sat in your courtroom for months now and have patiently and politely refrained from saying anything to you about what we have observed. However, your most recent behavior is so harmful to us that I can no longer remain silent.

                    Over the past year I have watched you in the courtroom in disbelief. From the outset, it has been painfully obvious that you treat the defense as if they can do no wrong and the prosecution and my daughter's attorney as if you have something against them or this case. Your inappropriate and continual jokes with Mr. Haddon on a matter so personal and traumatic to my family are insulting. At the same time, you seem to take every opportunity to publicly criticize the prosecution and my daughter's lawyer.

                    I sat quietly frustrated as we saw Kobe Bryant and his lawyers hold a national press conference to profess his alleged innocence. I have watched as leak after harmful leak has gone unpunished. I have watched the defense attorneys manipulate the public opinion of my daughter with their pleadings on your website while you did nothing.

                    One of the most recent mistakes regarding the transcript of the defendant's paid expert has been devastating to my daughter and my family. I don't know if you understand the harm your staff has caused. I was extremely disappointed that you ruled against Mr. Clune's motion to discontinue the electronic distribution of court documents and the prosecution's motion requesting delayed posting of court documents. One of these safeguards should have been put in place. You cannot guarantee that there will not be further errors.

                    Recently, my daughter's attorney has tried to minimize the harmful impact of your mistakes by speaking out on television for the first time. Your latest order prohibiting anyone from speaking out to help my daughter tells me that you wish to see the harmful effects of the court's errors continue. My family and I have lost trust that we can obtain a fair trial in your court.

                    Someday my daughter will be able to stop being the "alleged victim" as you say and rebuild her life. While you move on to your other cases, I only hope that you can someday realize the devastating impact your decisions in this case have had on victims and victim's rights across the nation.

                    Respectfully,
                    Father of the victim

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                    • GeePee20
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 3178

                      #190
                      Re: What a shocker

                      It's a terrible thing that all this has happened to the accuser but Kobe's reputation has been destroyed as well but no one cares because only the victim has rights apparently.

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                      • GeePee20
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 3178

                        #191
                        Re: What a shocker

                        It's a terrible thing that all this has happened to the accuser but Kobe's reputation has been destroyed as well but no one cares because only the victim has rights apparently.

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                        • Shaver
                          Legend
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 10148

                          #192
                          Re: What a shocker

                          Originally posted by GeePee20
                          It's a terrible thing that all this has happened to the accuser but Kobe's reputation has been destroyed as well but no one cares because only the victim has rights apparently.
                          What!?!?!??!?!?!??!!?

                          Kobe's popularity has NEVER been greater!!!

                          I've seen numerous polls that still have his "approval rating" in the 90's!

                          He just pulled a huge contract!

                          No major advertisers have pulled away long-term.

                          Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                          • Shaver
                            Legend
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 10148

                            #193
                            Re: What a shocker

                            Originally posted by GeePee20
                            It's a terrible thing that all this has happened to the accuser but Kobe's reputation has been destroyed as well but no one cares because only the victim has rights apparently.
                            What!?!?!??!?!?!??!!?

                            Kobe's popularity has NEVER been greater!!!

                            I've seen numerous polls that still have his "approval rating" in the 90's!

                            He just pulled a huge contract!

                            No major advertisers have pulled away long-term.

                            Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                            Listen to The Remodeling Clay Podcast!

                            Check out my BLOG - Remodeling Clay

                            Follow me on Twitter: @RemodelingClay

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                            • driddy
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 989

                              #194
                              Re: What a shocker

                              Mackey's reply


                              You'd think that the state of Colorado could be a little more prepared but I think those with common sense suspected all along that this case was a book deal for the lawyers and people involved. Justice had nothing to do with it. Meanwhile Kobe is 12 mil lighter (but that's what he gets for being a lazy adulterer).

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                              • driddy
                                Pro
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 989

                                #195
                                Re: What a shocker

                                Mackey's reply


                                You'd think that the state of Colorado could be a little more prepared but I think those with common sense suspected all along that this case was a book deal for the lawyers and people involved. Justice had nothing to do with it. Meanwhile Kobe is 12 mil lighter (but that's what he gets for being a lazy adulterer).

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