2015 Offseason Thread

[redsox4evur]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Why can't a player get paid AND win at the same time though?

We want these athletes to get as most as they can but when they do get it, they're called being selfish. That makes no sense.

It's the FO's job to create that flexibility for the team to get better, not the player.

Exactly. The FO is the one that has to create that flexibility. And they should be able to get paid and win. And the max contract is kinda stupid but I do understand the point behind it.

[Majingir]

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But in a cap world, proper cap management is what NEEDS to happen for constant success. Spurs have been good for so long cause they've kept their core guys together forever, and managing team under the cap. NHL with the Blackhawks, each time they win the cup,they have to restructure their roster cause of being in cap trouble,but they find ways to do so. It helps alot when players take cuts to do so.

Didn't that happen for the Heat as well? All 3 guys got paid less than they should've?

[DieHardYankee26]

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Let's hold off on talking about Spurs taking pay cuts until we see what random job Tim Duncan ends up with in the Spurs front office after he retires

[redsox4evur]

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Let's hold off on talking about Spurs taking pay cuts until we see what random job Tim Duncan ends up with in the Spurs front office after he retires

Owner probably.

[Master Live 013]

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That's diff, you can't really afford to take at a regular job. I'm sure someone who made 100M+ in their career can afford to take a 5-10M paycut for a year or two. Especially if the reason is because you wanna win. Players getting alot of money off merchandise sales already too.

NFL and NHL salaries I find are good. MLBs are way out of hand and now NBA will be going on that level too with this cap increase.

How come?

[King_B_Mack]

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Why can't a player get paid AND win at the same time though?

We want these athletes to get as most as they can but when they do get it, they're called being selfish. That makes no sense.

It's the FO's job to create that flexibility for the team to get better, not the player.

I get what you're trying to say and to an extent, you're right. However the reason they can't GET paid and win at the same time is because of the salary cap. In order for the FO to "create that flexibility" somebody has to sacrifice somewhere or the player is going to have to show some patience.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I get what you're trying to say and to an extent, you're right. However the reason they can't GET paid and win at the same time is because of the salary cap. In order for the FO to "create that flexibility" somebody has to sacrifice somewhere or the player is going to have to show some patience.

Yeah, the role players lol. Maybe we wouldn't have problems like this if Enes Kanter wasn't being offered 70mil

[MattUM]

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Yeah, Bron/Bosh/Wade all signed similar contracts. They were for 6/$110m while the absolute max have been about 6/$125m.

If all three of those guys took the absolute max deals, we can't sign Ray Allen so we lose Game 6 against the Spurs, we lose Birdman, etc. So it definitely is proven to work if you have a FO that knows what they're doing. Usually money left on the table is paid back later on anyways, see Wade's 1/$20m deal this year right before the cap jumps up and he gets a Kobe deal.

Not like those guys aren't getting paid when they're making $19m a year. There is no tangible difference between $19m or $22m per year, It's all just numbers in an account at that point. It doesn't cause you to live your life any differently. $3m would completely change any of our lives, but at this scale, it's just diminishing returns.

Those 2 chips sure are tangible though

[DieHardYankee26]

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Kobe never took a paycut, and he's got as many rings as those 2 combined so...Also, another reason not to take a paycut is exactly the reason you mentioned with Wade. How long did it take him to get his contract done? What if at the end of next year they say "ehh we can't give you that contract we said last year" Organizations have proven time and time again that athletes are disposable. Make your money before they throw you away.

Actually, Kobe did take a paycut...right before he got hurt and the Lakers started sucking lol. Definitely not worth it.

[Playmakers]

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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 2m2 minutes ago
ESPN sources say Deron Williams is expected to sign a two-year deal with Dallas in the $10 million range once he hits the open market

That's a solid deal for the Mavs and if he stays healthy and puts up 14-16 PPG and 6-8 assist that deal looks even better.

I was bummed out when Tyson Chandler left....

I didn't think Jordan was that much a difference maker than Chandler so personally I thought the Mavs should have kept TC and went after a starting PG instead.

They have really good pieces as mentioned before 1-4 and now I could only dream what that lineup could have done had TC stayed in Dallas.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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D-Wade was "Heat for Life" not that along ago until the team got hesistant in paying him and damn near ready to let him walk despite what he's done for that franchise/city since he's been there.

[King_B_Mack]

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Kobe never took a paycut, and he's got as many rings as those 2 combined so...Also, another reason not to take a paycut is exactly the reason you mentioned with Wade. How long did it take him to get his contract done? What if at the end of next year they say "ehh we can't give you that contract we said last year" Organizations have proven time and time again that athletes are disposable. Make your money before they throw you away.

Actually, Kobe did take a paycut...right before he got hurt and the Lakers started sucking lol. Definitely not worth it.

Wade isn't the best example man. How long it took to get the deal done? About 24 hours considering they had an agreement announced by July 2nd. Just because you were witnessed to typical contract negotiating/leveraging in the media doesn't mean there was some form of difficulty getting the deal done for him.

[iLLosophy]

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The last few months have been pretty trying on the mavs.


Although the Rondo thing could've been avoided. Mavs had a good squad and a ridiculously good offense before he got there.

[RedSceptile]

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Taking a paycut is the least logical thing for a person to do. I don't care if you're making 20,000,000 or 20,000 money is money at the end of the day. We're taught since little to aim to bring home the big bucks. That's what some guys just aim for. LeBron is probably looking at getting according to speculation a 200 million dollar contract once the cap jumps happen. I don't blame him, good for him.

[MattUM]

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I was taught that money isn't everything & do what you love...

If Wade didn't love playing for the Heat, nothing is stopping him from going to the Knicks for $24m a year. Same with Tim Duncan, dude loves the Spurs. If it were all about money he'd be somewhere else making the max. I'm sure being with the same organization your whole career has sentimental value.

All because the salary cap.