2015 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

I love TT. He's my favourite player and I love his effort but he needs to calm the **** down and know his role. He's a double double guy which is valuable but only when he starts. He's incredibly consistent which I love (check his averages per 36 since he came into the league season by season) but an inconsistent Love putting up 25 and 15 one game is better than a consistent TT getting 10 and 10.

He needs to do some work. He hasn't got post moves, his hook shot is sketchy at best and his mid range jumper, other than that one shot against Atlanta (?) is non existent. If he can develop his game more to be more than just a workhorse who grabs boards then maybe he's looking at being a max player but he's not there now. Still got time though he's still young.

Hell even if he could just get to the point where he could comfortably catch and attack off the dribble, like say Kenneth Faried, it would do wonders for his game. His offense is just nearly nonexistent right now.

I mean technically speaking, we don't know that someone like Thomas Robinson couldn't give fairly equal production. Their numbers are extremely similar and both are pretty much just hustle rebounders. Don't get me wrong from what we know right now TT is a much better/more consistent player, but at similar size (both around 6'9 240) and similar player mentality is really that far fetched to think Robinson could be a poor mans TT if he had Cleveland cast?

Thompson wanting up near 20 mil a year, Robinson just signed at 1.1 per year, Faried in the 11-12 per year range. It's just mind blowing to me that he believes he can command that type of money.

And don't get me wrong the contract would be more understandable if he were actually a dominant rebounder rather than just a good one. His Reb% is 45th in the league and rebounds per minute he's 32nd in the league. It's not like he's Jordan/Drummond.



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[Majingir]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Anthony Bennett cleared waivers. And according to Jeff Goodman of ESPN, he's signing with Raptors.

Bennett right now is probably like:
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[AC]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

yay for signing players for reasons that have nothing to do with basketball

[Majingir]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

yay for signing players for reasons that have nothing to do with basketball

Even if he wasn't Canadian, it's still worth it. A 1st overall pick just a few years ago, he's only 22 right now, and likely signing for the minimum contract or something close to that. Why wouldn't you go after that?

Worst case scenario, he sucks even after D-League and they just don't sign him back. Not like they gave up anything to get him, or are low on money.

[AC]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Except they're only signing him cause he's Canadian. Which is bad process. Which is my complaint.

[Majingir]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Whatever the reason, lets just wait and see what type of player he turns out to be. Apparently it's a 1 year deal at minimum. I'd really just put him in D-League for abit and see how he does. Raptors D-League team could be loaded with recent first round picks.

He should've never been taken 1st, that hurt his expectations so badly. He was projected 10th on nbadraft.net and 6th on draftexpress. So not even a top 5 projected player. Not saying the stats he put up in first 2 season are ones you'd expect from a 6-10th overall player,but definitely much less expectations if he was drafted at his true projected slot. Nobody would be writing him off as a complete bust if he was taken 8th or something,putting up the numbers he did.

[Boltman]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Whatever the reason, lets just wait and see what type of player he turns out to be.

This statement just doesn't make sense to me.

Didn't he already turn out to be something?

[Majingir]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

This statement just doesn't make sense to me.

Didn't he already turn out to be something?

He's only played 2 seasons. Hardly enough time to even see what he'll be like. As a 1st overall pick sure, after 2 seasons he probably should be putting up great numbers, but nobody outside of Cleveland saw him as a 1st overall player, or even a top 5 overall player for that matter.

He was a mid lottery pick player. He might not be playing like that either right now, but no reason to completely write him off,simply cause a guy projected around 6-10th pick wasn't playing like a 1st overall type player.

Don't forget the 2013 draft was weak also. In a stronger draft, he'd probably be a late lottery pick. You don't expect a late lottery pick player to be putting up good numbers by time he's 21 do you?

[JazzMan]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Anthony Bennett is irrelevant and a bum.

[AC]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Maj you really need to manage your expectations

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Lol what smart team signs someone because of their nationality and not because of their game?

[CMH]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Sorry to break it to you, Maj, but two years is enough time in the NBA to know what type of player someone is going to be or wants to be.

The fact that draft class was weak is even more reason to suspect he isn't getting much better.

Oladipo is Oladipo. What he was in his rookie season is what he is today. Sure guys improve on what they already have and maybe even add to it. But Bennett had very little. He was an undersized rebounder that scored points against slower big men in college.
Now he's the slow "big man" that can't play the 3 and shouldn't play the 4.


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[702]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

I haven't been a fan of Bennett since he was at UNLV. But... He's a strong, solid athlete, he's a potentially good rebounder and shooter, and he's young. He had injury and conditioning problems his first year also. He's undersized but he's long and can move laterally a bit, so he also has potential as a defender. A talented 22 year old at the minimum with everything to prove? How is this bad? He'll likely flame out, but even a 10% chance he reaches his potential is worth the flier.

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[702]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

As for Thompson. He's going to get whatever contract they're offering him now next summer anyway. Don't knock him for trying to get every penny he can now. He loses nothing for fighting for more.

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[AC]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

I haven't been a fan of Bennett since he was at UNLV. But... He's a strong, solid athlete, he's a potentially good rebounder and shooter, and he's young. He had injury and conditioning problems his first year also. He's undersized but he's long and can move laterally a bit, so he also has potential as a defender. A talented 22 year old at the minimum with everything to prove? How is this bad? He'll likely flame out, but even a 10% chance he reaches his potential is worth the flier.

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Sure, but I don't think a lot of people, including Maj, fully realize that there's a 90% chance he's completely useless, and we're trying to be competitive. I'm all for taking fliers on guys, but he never really had superstar potential and if he weren't Canadian, we probably wouldn't have done it. It's bad process, and we're not a rebuilding team that can take too many chances on guys.

Of course, I still hope he plays up to his potential and becomes a solid role player, but people need to understand the situation.