2015 Offseason Thread

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Read somewhere that the Cavs may end up with a 200 million payroll?

Now maybe if LBJ doesn't try to squeeze the maximum amount of money that he can, the team could sign some better free agents?

He's going to make a ton of money off the court but what if taking $5-10 million more a year is the difference between becoming 3-4 in the Finals a year from now or 2-5?

The Cavs cap woes aren't LeBron's fault. Why should he take less money?

I think LeBron should get the highest contract he can. The front office can work out the rest of the roster. That's their job.

Dirk taking less didn't get the Mavs a chip. There's more factors to it than one guy taking less money.

The Cavs will still finish 1 or 2 in the East every year if LeBron is at the max or if he takes less.

[CMH]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

LeBron's made it perfectly clear that he'll never take a penny less than the max.

Right which makes this even more complicated.

sent from my mobile device

[Bpurc22]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

LeBron's made it perfectly clear that he'll never take a penny less than the max.

Which, theoretically, is how it should work. Whatever team LeBron plays for should have to pay him the max. A pay cut from him is a monstrous advantage. He's an idiot if he doesn't. Well, maybe not an idiot....just cares about money more than his legacy.

[wco81]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

He certainly deserves the max.

Let's say that is worth as much as $100 million more over the rest of his career.

Would some of that money spent to acquire other free agents give him a better chance to win more rings?

Maybe he'll win another 5-7 rings before he's done and it'll be moot. Or maybe he never equal's MJ's 6 rings.

That extra $100 million could be a good consolation prize but more than likely, it's his children and grandchildren who'll benefit from that money, not him, because he probably won't be able to spend all the money he's already earned, not to mention all the off court money he makes.


Now if Gilbert is willing to carry 3 or 4 max or near-max contracts for the next 3-4 years and pay the luxury taxes, then it's all moot.

But the luxury taxes are pretty steep and Cleveland is not going to have a local TV market like say the Lakers.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

One could argue that he'd still be underpaid by only getting a $100 Mil deal.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

They'll resign Shump, Delly, hopefully not Smith, sign a Corey Brewer/Dunkeavy type of guy, trade Haywood and his contract, sign a Mo Williams/A Brooks type. Then they will sign LeBron, and after go over to sign TT and Love.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Those are some generous moves you want them to make man. I still don't see how they're making this work unless both LeBron and Kevin Love are going to take paycuts. Corey Brewer made 4.7 million dollars last year, Mike Dunleavy took the tax payer mid-level to come to Chicago, Mo played for the tax payer mid-level. They don't have Bron's bird rights and they couldn't sign all those guys and then sign Bron and then go over the cap to finish signing guys. That's why the league instituted cap holds, specifically for stuff like that.

I thought teams could only go over the cap to sign their own player with Bird Rights.

Or is it their player no matter the rights?

Because if the former, LeBron isn't just opening cap space for the team, he's going to end up having to take less as Mag mentioned to help build a stronger roster.

sent from my mobile device

Yes, you can only go over the salary cap to re-sign your own players.

[wco81]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Yeah I think I heard he brought $1 billion in revenues to the Cleveland area this year?

Or was it that he increased the value of the Cavs franchise to $1 billion?

So the difference between the current max and the max under the new cap/new TV deal is say $10 million and he plays another 10 years. That's where the $100 million comes from.

But how much does he value his legacy?

[redsox4evur]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

I thought teams could only go over the cap to sign their own player with Bird Rights.

Or is it their player no matter the rights?

Because if the former, LeBron isn't just opening cap space for the team, he's going to end up having to take less as Mag mentioned to help build a stronger roster.

sent from my mobile device

OK I took a sports law class in my first semester this year. And we spent a whole week talking about salary cap. Your first part is right you can only go over the cap if you have a players Bird rights. But when a player gets traded his bird rights get traded with him. A player acquires Bird Rights by playing three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. But when a player is amnestied and claimed his Bird rights transfer to his new team.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

I thought teams could only go over the cap to sign their own player with Bird Rights.

Or is it their player no matter the rights?

Because if the former, LeBron isn't just opening cap space for the team, he's going to end up having to take less as Mag mentioned to help build a stronger roster.

sent from my mobile device

They have Love's, Shump's, Smith's bird rights because they traded for them. And Thompson's because he's been there longer than 3 years. Unless I'm mistaken.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

They have Love's, Shump's, Smith's bird rights because they traded for them. And Thompson's because he's been there longer than 3 years. Unless I'm mistaken.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They have early bird on Delly too.

[Majingir]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

I like this GIF better

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Yeah I think I heard he brought $1 billion in revenues to the Cleveland area this year?

Or was it that he increased the value of the Cavs franchise to $1 billion?

So the difference between the current max and the max under the new cap/new TV deal is say $10 million and he plays another 10 years. That's where the $100 million comes from.

But how much does he value his legacy?

His "legacy" is just for talking points.

Winning more rings than the next guy won't take away the arguments and discussions.

He shouldn't take a penny less to appease the talking heads and critics.

[wco81]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

They have early bird on Delly too.

Is Delly really worth retaining?

[wco81]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

His "legacy" is just for talking points.

Winning more rings than the next guy won't take away the arguments and discussions.

He shouldn't take a penny less to appease the talking heads and critics.

It wouldn't be to appease critics. It would be to enhance his chances of winning more rings.

Supposedly LBJ has said when he's done, he'll exceed the records of MJ, Kobe, etc.

So maybe LBJ cares about his legacy somewhat?

[iLLosophy]

Re: 2015 Offseason Thread

Is Delly really worth retaining?

I'm guessing he became a fan favorite after the finals.