2016 NBA Offseason Thread

[King_B_Mack]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I still don't get the Brooks is good developing young talent angle that they were running that Washington was so dead set on him for. Who exactly has he developed? Durant, Westbrook and Harden are talents that will be what they are regardless of the coach. So maybe Ibaka? Possibly Reggie Jackson though you could argue he's developing in Detroit now. Other than those two. Who has he really made into good to great players like what Washington is hoping he'll do?

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re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I still don't get the Brooks is good developing young talent angle that they were running that Washington was so dead set on him for. Who exactly has he developed? Durant, Westbrook and Harden are talents that will be what they are regardless of the coach. So maybe Ibaka? Possibly Reggie Jackson though you could argue he's developing in Detroit now. Other than those two. Who has he really made into good to great players like what Washington is hoping he'll do?

I've heard someone say that before, but that's not what i saw in his time in OKC.

[redsox4evur]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I still don't get the Brooks is good developing young talent angle that they were running that Washington was so dead set on him for. Who exactly has he developed? Durant, Westbrook and Harden are talents that will be what they are regardless of the coach. So maybe Ibaka? Possibly Reggie Jackson though you could argue he's developing in Detroit now. Other than those two. Who has he really made into good to great players like what Washington is hoping he'll do?

The only one I have heard was Ibaka.

[wwharton]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Gonna have to tell Brooks that when he runs every play through wall and beal

And both of them have tried the hero ball angle at times, and failed miserably. This is another thing that scares me, lol. Especially with Beal. I think Wall genuinely wants to be a passer first anyway.

I still don't get the Brooks is good developing young talent angle that they were running that Washington was so dead set on him for. Who exactly has he developed? Durant, Westbrook and Harden are talents that will be what they are regardless of the coach. So maybe Ibaka? Possibly Reggie Jackson though you could argue he's developing in Detroit now. Other than those two. Who has he really made into good to great players like what Washington is hoping he'll do?

I didn't hear anything about this being the angle they're trying to sell at all. If true then ROTFLMAO, but I'm not sure where you got that.

[King_B_Mack]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

And both of them have tried the hero ball angle at times, and failed miserably. This is another thing that scares me, lol. Especially with Beal. I think Wall genuinely wants to be a passer first anyway.



I didn't hear anything about this being the angle they're trying to sell at all. If true then ROTFLMAO, but I'm not sure where you got that.

It was in one of the reports when it came out that Brooks was they're top priority this offseason. I remember reading something about his ability to develop young talent was one of the reasons they were after him. I think it's somewhere in this thread.

[Checmate101]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Brooks was...and other then Thibs think he was the best coach available...I'm good with the idea..and think he will be alright with us..to argue think Otto and Kelly better talent off the bench then what OKC had outside of Harden...and hopefully he can get Beal to shoot more and be more aggressive....have the stretch 4 in Morris that can also go to the post.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I was one of the people(probably the only one)that gave Brooks credit for his player development and that was not including the obvious names. Serge Ibaka, Steven Adams, Reggie Jackson.

And no, Washington isn't expecting him to turn their role players in great players(don't believe everything you hear from these national dudes who don't follow the team). But he'll certainly do more in that regard than Wittman has done, especially in regards to guys like Oubre, Porter. Although, I still the think the bigger problem is still there(but another discussion in itself).

Like others have, hopefully he's learned from his time off in regards to his Offenses, just like we all hope Thibs has learned from riding his players into ground. Or are we going to keep that false narrative up and if Wiggins or KAT gets hurt, automatically blame Thibs for it? Lol I would hope not, even though I'm sure it'll come up at some point .

[wwharton]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I was one of the people(probably the only one)that gave Brooks credit for his player development and that was not including the obvious names. Serge Ibaka, Steven Adams, Reggie Jackson.

And no, Washington isn't expecting him to turn their role players in great players(don't believe everything you hear from these national dudes who don't follow the team). But he'll certainly do more in that regard than Wittman has done, especially in regards to guys like Oubre, Porter. Although, I still the think the bigger problem is still there(but another discussion in itself).

Like others have, hopefully he's learned from his time off in regards to his Offenses, just like we all hope Thibs has learned from riding his players into ground. Or are we going to keep that false narrative up and if Wiggins or KAT gets hurt, automatically blame Thibs for it? Lol I would hope not, even though I'm sure it'll come up at some point .

I don't think he's worse than Wittman in that regard, but don't know that he's better either... but at the very least, the "kids" could stand to try a different voice/approach.

I do agree that he's the best retread that was available at this point.

[ojandpizza]

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Meh I refuse to believe that he's a bad coach until we see what he does without Westbrook/Durant.. He did what probably 90% of coaches would have done with two players like that.

Other than late game play calling, which again is about 90% "give the ball to your best player" anyways, I don't see anything he lacked at.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I don't think he's worse than Wittman in that regard, but don't know that he's better either

You legit don't know or you don't know because you "don't see everything that goes on outside of what's not being reported with it so I can't really give an opinion"? Legit question BTW.

[Nevertheles109]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

Meh I refuse to believe that he's a bad coach until we see what he does without Westbrook/Durant.. He did what probably 90% of coaches would have done with two players like that.

Other than late game play calling, which again is about 90% "give the ball to your best player" anyways, I don't see anything he lacked at.


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I can agree that you should put the ball in your superstars hands but the one dimensional pick and roll concepts and ISO with no movement was terrible. His play calling was so predictable.

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I can agree that you should put the ball in your superstars hands but the one dimensional pick and roll concepts and ISO with no movement was terrible. His play calling was so predictable.

Honestly besides that one year, he turned into Vinny Del Negro

[ProfessaPackMan]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

I can agree that you should put the ball in your superstars hands but the one dimensional pick and roll concepts and ISO with no movement was terrible. His play calling was so predictable.

Couldn't you say that playcalling and play designing are two different things?

Only reason I ask because it seems like your issue is moreso with his play designing when you said "one dimensional pick and roll concepts and ISO with no movement was terrible".

[ojandpizza]

re: 2016 NBA Offseason Thread

That's not all he did though. It's easier to point to that as a narrative when you have two players as ball dominant as they do though.. They had other options, they had decent plays, it's just tough to see it all when two guys want to take 20 shots a night. That's half your teams shots, and you don't really draw up off ball plays for a PG, and Durant might be the worst top level scorer in the league at moving without the ball.

They have the same problem this year with Donovan. Durant is a willing passer, but he's not anything close to a play maker and even more useless without the ball because he just simply stands. For the 2nd year in a row you have a team with only one above average playmaker on it. And he's accounting for nearly half his teams points and accounting for half of their total assists.... That's the bigger problem.


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[jfsolo]

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That's not all he did though. It's easier to point to that as a narrative when you have two players as ball dominant as they do though.. They had other options, they had decent plays, it's just tough to see it all when two guys want to take 20 shots a night. That's half your teams shots, and you don't really draw up off ball plays for a PG, and Durant might be the worst top level scorer in the league at moving without the ball.

They have the same problem this year with Donovan. Durant is a willing passer, but he's not anything close to a play maker and even more useless without the ball because he just simply stands. For the 2nd year in a row you have a team with only one above average playmaker on it. And he's accounting for nearly half his teams points and accounting for half of their total assists.... That's the bigger problem.


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Concur. I really don't have any idea about Brooks or Donovan as coaches. KD and Russ's playstyle just overpower the entire offensive dynamic of a team. In my opinion only a handful of coaches, getting a hold of them when they were rookies, could have keep them from running roughshod over any system.