Defensive Player of the Year: Kawhi Leonard

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If you are talking pure basketball, setting screens or knowledge and not mentioning Dave Debusschere, then you're doing it wrong. You can't acknowledge anyone without giving compliments to Dave Debusschere or YOU are lacking what it was really all about.


Kawhi is not overrated because of Shane Battiers fortitude, but because... Dave Debusschere

Just Dave Debusschere

That's D. A. V...... you get the picture

[bakan723]

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It is super lame to just spit out stats. (especially defensive ones...just lol)
Fools can and do that without even watching the games

..instead of relying on your own eyes

[redsox4evur]

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It is super lame to just spit out stats. (especially defensive ones...just lol)
Fools can and do that without even watching the games

..instead of relying on your own eyes

And going by the eye Brian Scalabrine was better than everyone to ever to basketball including Kobe, MJ, Lebron, Kawhi, etc.

[bakan723]

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[King_B_Mack]

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Shane Battier was the top defender in the league from 05 to 07? Mannnnnnnn lmao. Guess Marcus Camby, Ben Wallace, Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Tayshaun Prince, Dwight Howard, Raja Bell and Kevin Garnett all died without us knowing about it back then. Even Kobe was still one of the best defenders in the league at that point in time. Shane Battier

[The 24th Letter]

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One thing I will say about Shane is that he's the only guy I know that had a 100 page binder made on how to guard someone......and Kobe still torched him

but I don't want to underrate Shane here just because he's being overrated at the moment.

He really was a great, heady defender....

[AlexBrady]

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Camby was only playing for blocks. He would get killed playing from behind in the low post. By 05, Wallace's body was wearing down, he was gambling more on his low post defense. Howard's lateral movement has always been slow and he sold out for blocks. Garnett wasn't playing all out in Minnesota at that point and he too got used when playing power guys in the low post.

Bowen, Prince, and Bell were top notch defenders. Artest was probably the best of all of them when his head was screwed on straight. I like consistency though, so Battier was my main man for those years.

Battier would typically make Kobe sweat for every shot. The fact that Kobe was a miracle man does nothing to take away from Battier's efforts.

[Themayorofawsometown]

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[redsox4evur]

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Camby was only playing for blocks. He would get killed playing from behind in the low post. By 05, Wallace's body was wearing down, he was gambling more on his low post defense. Howard's lateral movement has always been slow and he sold out for blocks. Garnett wasn't playing all out in Minnesota at that point and he too got used when playing power guys in the low post.

Bowen, Prince, and Bell were top notch defenders. Artest was probably the best of all of them when his head was screwed on straight. I like consistency though, so Battier was my main man for those years.

Battier would typically make Kobe sweat for every shot. The fact that Kobe was a miracle man does nothing to take away from Battier's efforts.

Alright I don't want to ask because this take the thread more off topic than it already is but I need to know the answer. Why do you hate the modern NBA?

[ojandpizza]

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Camby was only playing for blocks. He would get killed playing from behind in the low post. By 05, Wallace's body was wearing down, he was gambling more on his low post defense. Howard's lateral movement has always been slow and he sold out for blocks. Garnett wasn't playing all out in Minnesota at that point and he too got used when playing power guys in the low post.

Bowen, Prince, and Bell were top notch defenders. Artest was probably the best of all of them when his head was screwed on straight. I like consistency though, so Battier was my main man for those years.

Battier would typically make Kobe sweat for every shot. The fact that Kobe was a miracle man does nothing to take away from Battier's efforts.

Camby did play for blocks, but he was still a very solid help defender. I wouldn't say he got killed, he could have been a stronger player but at this point in his career the league wasn't chalked full of scoring centers anyways. His benefit to those Denver teams was a big one. Outside of Miller they were trash on the perimeter, he did an excellent job of cleaning up their mess at the rim.

Wallace's body was not wearing down. From 2004-2006 he played nearly every game, and helped his team reach two finals appearances with his defensive abilities. He was one of the best I've watched at leaving his feet and changing or altering shots without committing a foul. He hedged well, could switch on most players, he was the soul and fire of those Pistons squads. If you're good enough defensively to be the "guy" on you're squad you're doing something right.

Garnett - got used when playing power guys in the post? So when he played Shaq then? You can't discredit him for 4-5 games of the season, and then credit Battier for the same on Kobe.. Doesn't work that way man. KG was on the defensive first/second team from 99/00 to 11/12, that's sustained excellence at that end of the court. His ability to help, recover, hedge, was the top in the league. He didn't need to have "power" inside defending mostly 3's and 4's.

I would also have Kirilenko over Battier for this time span as well.




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[jeebs9]

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Well deserved.... K-Why you've come a long long way from draft day. Respect!

[AlexBrady]

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Camby did provide quick and lively help defense, agreed. A little overeager being drawn to the ball at times though. Andre Miller was easily out-quicked on his defense. Eduardo Najera was on some of those teams though, and he was a legitimate stopper. But, you're right, Denver's overall defense was bad.

The 05 season signaled the beginning of Wallace's decline. He started gambling more on his low post defense and didn't seem as forceful (especially on the road). His team defense was still outstanding though, with him playing a one man zone.

Of course Garnett was overmatched against Shaq but he was also variously burned by the likes of Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand, Danny Fortson, Zach Randolph, and Nene Hilario.

I didn't agree with most of those All Defense listings for KG. Yes, his length, quickness, and activity were a big help in the team defense. At some point though, you have to bear down and play with power in the low post.

Andrei Kirilenko could be overpowered too easily but his length and quickness was effective against opposing finessers. I rated Battier ahead of Kirilenko by a considerable margin.

[wwharton]

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He's a regular dude like all of he watches really closely. You guys just watch where the ball is, this guy is watching how the bench is celebrating and pauses the TV when a player makes a block to work out at exactly what angle his body is at.

Its snobbery man, when people think they're so analytically gifted that they see things that we don't. That's what the NBA hires people to do and i doubt anybody will back you up on half your points.

Nothing wrong with a healthy debate, and AlexBrady rolls with the punches (some deserved, some not) but honestly this post is overboard man. Saying "it's snobbery" is a personal attack and against the TOS. Dial it back.

BTW, I and probably everyone else who's every coached a sport do tend to watch the game a little differently... which often brings a different feel to a discussion analyzing a player or team. I'd say different perspectives can only add to a discussion; the more information to work with the better. I certainly don't agree with all of the CONCLUSIONS AlexBrady comes to, but I could say that for a lot of you and I KNOW a lot of you can say (and have said) that often about me.

[PabloLFC]

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Give it a rest man that's not a personal attack, it's an opinion.


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Give it a rest man that's not a personal attack, it's an opinion.


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If he's enforcing the TOS by telling you to chill with the name calling then it's best to do that.