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  • SoldierSooner
    Banned
    • Jan 2004
    • 98

    #76
    Re: The Future looks DARKO...

    the quote where an NBA coach tells the media that his young, undeveloped highschool kid and COUSIN OF HIS TEAMS' SUPERSTAR would be "out of the league in 2 years"?.
    well i agree that no one said that b/c there is no link, but for the record, T MAC was a raptor before Vince Carter. he was draft one year before

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    • SoldierSooner
      Banned
      • Jan 2004
      • 98

      #77
      Re: The Future looks DARKO...

      the quote where an NBA coach tells the media that his young, undeveloped highschool kid and COUSIN OF HIS TEAMS' SUPERSTAR would be "out of the league in 2 years"?.
      well i agree that no one said that b/c there is no link, but for the record, T MAC was a raptor before Vince Carter. he was draft one year before

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      • jagsfan1
        Rookie
        • Jul 2004
        • 236

        #78
        Re: The Future looks DARKO...

        Originally posted by SoldierSooner
        well i agree that no one said that b/c there is no link, but for the record, T MAC was a raptor before Vince Carter. he was draft one year before
        It was in ESPN the Magazine

        couple months ago

        I'll see if I can find which issue

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        • jagsfan1
          Rookie
          • Jul 2004
          • 236

          #79
          Re: The Future looks DARKO...

          Originally posted by SoldierSooner
          well i agree that no one said that b/c there is no link, but for the record, T MAC was a raptor before Vince Carter. he was draft one year before
          It was in ESPN the Magazine

          couple months ago

          I'll see if I can find which issue

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          • jordan0386
            Banned
            • May 2003
            • 9235

            #80
            Re: The Future looks DARKO...

            piston fans living in detroit...how is the media coverage...do the papers and talk radio stations get on players


            cause, mydess looks good...and if he had no pressure, like he did in ny...he might actually have a decent year


            so...

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            • jordan0386
              Banned
              • May 2003
              • 9235

              #81
              Re: The Future looks DARKO...

              piston fans living in detroit...how is the media coverage...do the papers and talk radio stations get on players


              cause, mydess looks good...and if he had no pressure, like he did in ny...he might actually have a decent year


              so...

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              • OneBadMutha
                Pro
                • Sep 2003
                • 632

                #82
                Re: The Future looks DARKO...

                Originally posted by jordan0386
                piston fans living in detroit...how is the media coverage...do the papers and talk radio stations get on players


                cause, mydess looks good...and if he had no pressure, like he did in ny...he might actually have a decent year


                so...
                McDyess has looked good in the pre-season. He's been their best rebounder and he's getting some of his offense back also. When he's out there with a flowing offense (instead of 3rd string point guards that don't know how to move the ball into the post), he's looked like he's been here for awhile. People in Detroit are getting optimistic about him but there isn't any unreasonable expectations from him. The good thing about playing in Detroit is that fans here don't care about stats and realize they don't need a Superstar to win it all. If he just plays D, gets a few boards, gets about 8 points a night off the bench...I think fans would be delighted with that. Truth be told, if he can avoid a major injury this year, based on what I've seen of him so far I think he's going to greatly exceed fan expectations.

                Fans do get on players here in Detroit and probably close to 80% of how bad fans in New York get on players but they are more relaxed now that Detroit has another Championship. I did hear some phone calls on the post-game show tonight about how bad a judge of talent Dumars is because of the Darko pick though. Those calls usually happen after every loss. I guess there's idiot fans everywhere.
                Last edited by OneBadMutha; 10-29-2004, 11:08 PM.

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                • OneBadMutha
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 632

                  #83
                  Re: The Future looks DARKO...

                  Originally posted by jordan0386
                  piston fans living in detroit...how is the media coverage...do the papers and talk radio stations get on players


                  cause, mydess looks good...and if he had no pressure, like he did in ny...he might actually have a decent year


                  so...
                  McDyess has looked good in the pre-season. He's been their best rebounder and he's getting some of his offense back also. When he's out there with a flowing offense (instead of 3rd string point guards that don't know how to move the ball into the post), he's looked like he's been here for awhile. People in Detroit are getting optimistic about him but there isn't any unreasonable expectations from him. The good thing about playing in Detroit is that fans here don't care about stats and realize they don't need a Superstar to win it all. If he just plays D, gets a few boards, gets about 8 points a night off the bench...I think fans would be delighted with that. Truth be told, if he can avoid a major injury this year, based on what I've seen of him so far I think he's going to greatly exceed fan expectations.

                  Fans do get on players here in Detroit and probably close to 80% of how bad fans in New York get on players but they are more relaxed now that Detroit has another Championship. I did hear some phone calls on the post-game show tonight about how bad a judge of talent Dumars is because of the Darko pick though. Those calls usually happen after every loss. I guess there's idiot fans everywhere.

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                  • OneBadMutha
                    Pro
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 632

                    #84
                    Re: The Future looks DARKO...

                    Now on to the Darko stuff, you guys need to stop reading too much into what happens out on the courts right now. Right now Darko plays like a scared bi#ch but it's more a result of being afraid of screwing up and embarrasing himself than it is being scared of other players. Ben and Sheed believe he's going to be great. LB and Joe Dumars believe he's going to be great. Every announcer or media person that has watched him work out has been impressed. Like the announcers on ESPN said tonight, he looked great when they saw him practicing but he gets stage-fright and doesn't look like the same player on the court during games. Until Darko gets comfortable on the court, there will be no way for fans to get any ideas about his talent.

                    I think the only mistake Dumars made was thinking he'd be ready 3 years from when he was drafted. I can't see Darko contributing until at least his 4th year and probably not doing anything really worthwhile until his 5th year. He's just not going to develop fast because the Pistons have too much depth in their front court and their 3 best big men are all only 30. He just came to the wrong team if playing time is what he was looking for anytime soon.

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                    • OneBadMutha
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 632

                      #85
                      Re: The Future looks DARKO...

                      Now on to the Darko stuff, you guys need to stop reading too much into what happens out on the courts right now. Right now Darko plays like a scared bi#ch but it's more a result of being afraid of screwing up and embarrasing himself than it is being scared of other players. Ben and Sheed believe he's going to be great. LB and Joe Dumars believe he's going to be great. Every announcer or media person that has watched him work out has been impressed. Like the announcers on ESPN said tonight, he looked great when they saw him practicing but he gets stage-fright and doesn't look like the same player on the court during games. Until Darko gets comfortable on the court, there will be no way for fans to get any ideas about his talent.

                      I think the only mistake Dumars made was thinking he'd be ready 3 years from when he was drafted. I can't see Darko contributing until at least his 4th year and probably not doing anything really worthwhile until his 5th year. He's just not going to develop fast because the Pistons have too much depth in their front court and their 3 best big men are all only 30. He just came to the wrong team if playing time is what he was looking for anytime soon.

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                      • HMcCoy
                        All Star
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8212

                        #86
                        Re: The Future looks DARKO...

                        Originally posted by OneBadMutha
                        Now on to the Darko stuff, you guys need to stop reading too much into what happens out on the courts right now. Right now Darko plays like a scared bi#ch but it's more a result of being afraid of screwing up and embarrasing himself than it is being scared of other players. Ben and Sheed believe he's going to be great. LB and Joe Dumars believe he's going to be great. Every announcer or media person that has watched him work out has been impressed. Like the announcers on ESPN said tonight, he looked great when they saw him practicing but he gets stage-fright and doesn't look like the same player on the court during games. Until Darko gets comfortable on the court, there will be no way for fans to get any ideas about his talent.

                        I think the only mistake Dumars made was thinking he'd be ready 3 years from when he was drafted. I can't see Darko contributing until at least his 4th year and probably not doing anything really worthwhile until his 5th year. He's just not going to develop fast because the Pistons have too much depth in their front court and their 3 best big men are all only 30. He just came to the wrong team if playing time is what he was looking for anytime soon.


                        Looking at the Piston's roster right now, its hard to doubt Joey D's decision-making. If Joey D. honestly believes the kid will flourish, then he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

                        However, you have to factor in the uncertainty of the future CBA. I wonder how long the Pistons can hold this team together. Another title isn't far fetched, and eventually these guys are going to start to get max-pay offers. With so many effective pieces, the 'Stones are bound to lose a few here and there. By the time Darko is "ready", Detroit is going to have to pony up to keep him also, with little hopes of a hometown deal, considering his frustration with this slow process they're dragging him through.

                        Again, you can't argue with this franchises success...but Darko's future will be interseting to watch.
                        Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                        • HMcCoy
                          All Star
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 8212

                          #87
                          Re: The Future looks DARKO...

                          Originally posted by OneBadMutha
                          Now on to the Darko stuff, you guys need to stop reading too much into what happens out on the courts right now. Right now Darko plays like a scared bi#ch but it's more a result of being afraid of screwing up and embarrasing himself than it is being scared of other players. Ben and Sheed believe he's going to be great. LB and Joe Dumars believe he's going to be great. Every announcer or media person that has watched him work out has been impressed. Like the announcers on ESPN said tonight, he looked great when they saw him practicing but he gets stage-fright and doesn't look like the same player on the court during games. Until Darko gets comfortable on the court, there will be no way for fans to get any ideas about his talent.

                          I think the only mistake Dumars made was thinking he'd be ready 3 years from when he was drafted. I can't see Darko contributing until at least his 4th year and probably not doing anything really worthwhile until his 5th year. He's just not going to develop fast because the Pistons have too much depth in their front court and their 3 best big men are all only 30. He just came to the wrong team if playing time is what he was looking for anytime soon.


                          Looking at the Piston's roster right now, its hard to doubt Joey D's decision-making. If Joey D. honestly believes the kid will flourish, then he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

                          However, you have to factor in the uncertainty of the future CBA. I wonder how long the Pistons can hold this team together. Another title isn't far fetched, and eventually these guys are going to start to get max-pay offers. With so many effective pieces, the 'Stones are bound to lose a few here and there. By the time Darko is "ready", Detroit is going to have to pony up to keep him also, with little hopes of a hometown deal, considering his frustration with this slow process they're dragging him through.

                          Again, you can't argue with this franchises success...but Darko's future will be interseting to watch.
                          Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                          • OneBadMutha
                            Pro
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 632

                            #88
                            Re: The Future looks DARKO...

                            Originally posted by HMcCoy
                            Looking at the Piston's roster right now, its hard to doubt Joey D's decision-making. If Joey D. honestly believes the kid will flourish, then he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

                            However, you have to factor in the uncertainty of the future CBA. I wonder how long the Pistons can hold this team together. Another title isn't far fetched, and eventually these guys are going to start to get max-pay offers. With so many effective pieces, the 'Stones are bound to lose a few here and there. By the time Darko is "ready", Detroit is going to have to pony up to keep him also, with little hopes of a hometown deal, considering his frustration with this slow process they're dragging him through.

                            Again, you can't argue with this franchises success...but Darko's future will be interseting to watch.
                            The future CBA....that is a good point. I never thought about it. Dumars has done a great job with the contracts under the current CBA. I hope that teams don't lose their rights with draft picks though. As it stands, Detroit will be able to match any offers for Darko, Delfino, and Prince when their contracts are up.

                            If the CBA doesn't change it's rules, I see the Pistons being in solid shape going into the future. Right now they don't have any bad contracts for the long term. They've got a lot of money coming off the cap from role players after this season. Tayshaun Prince and Ben Wallace are the only two players from Detroit's core who's contracts will come up within 2 years. Tay is protected and Detroit plans on having Ben's extension done a year before his contract is up (which is why they dumped Corliss).

                            Right now Detroit has Sheed, Hamilton, Billups, and McDyess locked up to very reasonable long term deals. Ben Wallace and Tay's contract come up in 2 years but Dumars has already been planning to get those done ahead of time. Darko and Delfino will be under contract for at least 3 years before they are restricted free agents meaning that Detroit will be able to match any offers for those guys if they feel they are worthy of them.

                            Davidson paid the luxury tax last year and the pay roll will go down considerably next year with contracts coming off the books. Even after re-signing Ben and Tay in 2 years, they'll still be in great shape in regards to the luxury tax unless they add another big contract between now and then.

                            As good a job as Dumars has done aquiring talent, he's done just as good a job managing the salary cap.

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                            • OneBadMutha
                              Pro
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 632

                              #89
                              Re: The Future looks DARKO...

                              Originally posted by HMcCoy
                              Looking at the Piston's roster right now, its hard to doubt Joey D's decision-making. If Joey D. honestly believes the kid will flourish, then he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

                              However, you have to factor in the uncertainty of the future CBA. I wonder how long the Pistons can hold this team together. Another title isn't far fetched, and eventually these guys are going to start to get max-pay offers. With so many effective pieces, the 'Stones are bound to lose a few here and there. By the time Darko is "ready", Detroit is going to have to pony up to keep him also, with little hopes of a hometown deal, considering his frustration with this slow process they're dragging him through.

                              Again, you can't argue with this franchises success...but Darko's future will be interseting to watch.
                              The future CBA....that is a good point. I never thought about it. Dumars has done a great job with the contracts under the current CBA. I hope that teams don't lose their rights with draft picks though. As it stands, Detroit will be able to match any offers for Darko, Delfino, and Prince when their contracts are up.

                              If the CBA doesn't change it's rules, I see the Pistons being in solid shape going into the future. Right now they don't have any bad contracts for the long term. They've got a lot of money coming off the cap from role players after this season. Tayshaun Prince and Ben Wallace are the only two players from Detroit's core who's contracts will come up within 2 years. Tay is protected and Detroit plans on having Ben's extension done a year before his contract is up (which is why they dumped Corliss).

                              Right now Detroit has Sheed, Hamilton, Billups, and McDyess locked up to very reasonable long term deals. Ben Wallace and Tay's contract come up in 2 years but Dumars has already been planning to get those done ahead of time. Darko and Delfino will be under contract for at least 3 years before they are restricted free agents meaning that Detroit will be able to match any offers for those guys if they feel they are worthy of them.

                              Davidson paid the luxury tax last year and the pay roll will go down considerably next year with contracts coming off the books. Even after re-signing Ben and Tay in 2 years, they'll still be in great shape in regards to the luxury tax unless they add another big contract between now and then.

                              As good a job as Dumars has done aquiring talent, he's done just as good a job managing the salary cap.

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