11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

[Vni]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

So how are the raptors supposed to know the clock is wrong ? Refs made a mistake and the play played on.

[BluFu]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

Slippery precedent being set there if players have to account for seconds they can't even see

[Vni]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

I'll wait for Pack's opinion. If he of all says it should have counted, that's a wrap.

[fluent2332]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

So how are the raptors supposed to know the clock is wrong ? Refs made a mistake and the play played on.

Review is there to correct refs mistakes.

Slippery precedent being set there if players have to account for seconds they can't even see

Not really. Think about the other side of that. Kings make a perfect defensive play only for it to not count when technically the clock-keeping in Seacaucus had the right time? That would be the unfair thing, IMO.

[BluFu]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

Review is there to correct refs mistakes.



Not really. Think about the other side of that. Kings make a perfect defensive play only for it to not count when technically the clock-keeping in Seacaucus had the right time? That would be the unfair thing, IMO.

How many times have refs reviewed an out of bounds call (for example) and then saw a foul in that same play? Can they retroactively award free throws? No. The review was whether he got it off before the buzzer. That's it.

[Vni]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

The only thing refs should be able to review is the last thing that happened wich is wether or not Ross got the shot in time. Once they failed to realise the clock was wrong and stop the play, what happened before the shot is pretty irrelevant. That Ross shot was completely legit and should have counted.

Theses are my last words on the subject.

Gentlemens, back to you.

[fluent2332]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

How many times have refs reviewed an out of bounds call (for example) and then saw a foul in that same play? Can they retroactively award free throws? No. The review was whether he got it off before the buzzer. That's it.

I don't see the correlation there. You're actually saying that they should award the Raptors 2 points because of a ref's mistake (a mistake that can be fixed via review).

As for foul calls, that is more of a slippery thing. Some coaches want a "review flag" like the NFL has. I don't know about all that, but it is kind of a bummer when you see fouls even on the last shot of a game, etc., that aren't called and greatly affect the outcome of the game (this happens a lot more than this Raps/Kings example).

The only thing refs should be able to review is the last thing that happened wich is wether or not Ross got the shot in time. Once they failed to realise the clock was wrong and stop the play, what happened before the shot is pretty irrelevant. That Ross shot was completely legit and should have counted.

Theses are my last words on the subject.

Gentlemens, back to you.

I disagree.

[BluFu]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

I don't see the correlation there. You're actually saying that they should award the Raptors 2 points because of a ref's mistake (a mistake that can be fixed via review).

As for foul calls, that is more of a slippery thing. Some coaches want a "review flag" like the NFL has. I don't know about all that, but it is kind of a bummer when you see fouls even on the last shot of a game, etc., that aren't called and greatly affect the outcome of the game (this happens a lot more than this Raps/Kings example).



I disagree.

Just saying what Vni's saying and basically what I've heard all my life: refs only look at one thing during review. They went to review if the ball left his hands before the official clock. Cousins' tip is irrelevant because it was not acknowledged before looking at the tape.

[Caveman24]

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Our perimeter defense has been so trash this year.

[Majingir]

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Another thing to add to this whole situation, literally the play prior, the Kings had a shotclock violation. Their possession began with 27.2 seconds left on the gameclock. So with a shotclock violation, that means 3.2 seconds would be left on the clock(instead of 2.4 which is what NBA set it at).

So how was there no replay review for that? But then NBA decides to review and change the clock because it didn't run properly on the following possession? Apparently by the assumption rule by the NBA, if the clock began the EXACT MILLISECOND Cousins tipped the ball, Ross would've shot his shot 0.1 second late. That alone is ridiculous(no clock ever starts the exact millisecond after something), but if you also factor in the time that the refs flat out ignored to add on the clock because of the prior possession, the shot would've been fine.

[ProfessaPackMan]

11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

If he got the shot off before that light turned red, then yeah I don't see how that shouldn't have counted. That's always the number 1 thing you look for in reviews.

And if the people in the Arena running the clock screwed up, then at the very least they should've ran it back. Let a team screw up on their own mistake, not the folks actually not playing in the game.

[Majingir]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

If he got the shot off before that light turned red, then yeah I don't see how that shouldn't have counted. That's always the number 1 thing you look for in reviews.

And if the people in the Arena running the clock screwed up, then at the very least they should've ran it back. Let a team screw up on their own mistake, not the folks actually not playing in the game.

There's the verdict. If Pack actually agrees on the Raptors side of things, you know the refs must've messed up bad.

Raptors better protest this. Knowing NBA, if they overturned the decision, Raptors would need to replay the inbound lol. Doubt anything changes, but they should start the game from OT since that's where the game was headed. Much easier to replay a game when there's a clear starting point like beginning of overtime.

It makes no sense still. Ross got it off before the light. How can you be like "nope. The clock was wrong,so your basket doesn't count." When there's a chance he shoots the ball earlier if he knew there was less time on the clock!?

It was the arenas mistake,and the game was in Sacramento! So basically you're saying home court advantage means you can bend the rules for your own team through gameclock now?

[zasbury25]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

I've noticed the clocks have been malfunctioning a lot this season, like at least once or twice a game in the games I've been to so far. At the Magic v. Mavs game, the game started with a clock malfunction (didn't start). I thought I read the arenas got new systems with the NBA's new partnership with Tissot...maybe these systems just aren't up to par. With that said, I think they should have done the play over if there was indeed a problem with the clock system.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

Slippery precedent being set there if players have to account for seconds they can't even see

Exactly how I feel about it..

[Majingir]

Re: 11/16 - 11/21 Games Discussion Thread

Don't redo the play. The play stands cause refs and clock people messed up.

It's not the first time Raptors lost a game cause of gameclock. In a prior season,they lost cause the game clock counted 0.5 seconds in 0.3 seconds,so a shot didn't count. There was also a time a ref did his 5 second inbound count in 4, and there's video evidence of it too.

Past 12 months or so alone,not including playoffs, Raptors got called for a foul when players of same team ran into each other with no contact from any Raptor guy, they lost a game cause the opponent stepped out during a final possession of a game(went on to score during it, refs admitted mistake after), they lost a game cause the opponent ran into a Raptors shooter,but offensive foul got called on Raptors(ironically,it also was in Sacramento), the opposing player intentionally shoved a Raptors player down 3 feet from a ref,and ref called nothing, and those are just examples of videos you can easily find on YouTube.

Yes, all teams get bad calls, but Raptors ones are so extreme. They're like the guy who goes 1 over the speed limit and gets caught,while everyone else going 5 over gets away with it. There might be instances they're in the wrong, but refs never enforce it any other time. Bad calls are one thing, but being so inconsistent is what angers people more.