2017 Western Conference Playoffs - 1st Round Discussion Thread

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This is all an attack on ESPN, not on the stat. Whether or not you need an advanced stat to tell you something does not indicate whether or not it's necessary. Kill the "math nerds who've never played basketball garbage" while we've got Reggie spouting ignorance every game.

The stat shows that the Thunder struggled when Russ left the floor. Do you refute that statement or not? We all know ESPN puts out arbitrary stats and ridiculous qualifiers, this isn't one of them.

No its not an attack on espn rather their overkill of the same thing every day.

I follow them on twitter for reasons other than just finding them interesting so ive seen what theyve been doing all season and post season.

Reggie is a complete goon who hardly anyone likes to listen to, but to my surprise even Kevin Harlan got into on the last game making excuse about rwb was sooo tired when he was bricking all of those 4th quarter shots.

As far as the math nerds, i just happen to notice all of these math experts spouting off advanced stats out of nowhere. Its quite puzzling actually because of the reasons for doing it.

I don't refute that stat that they've chugged out a million times, i just question why they aren't giving you the whole story.




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Eye test still shows the Thunder suck *** when Westbrook sits lol.


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It also shows westbrook blacking out and chucking bricks like a mug in the 4th quarter no matter whos on his team.

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[dubcity]

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Eye test still shows the Thunder suck *** when Westbrook sits lol.


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I dunno. OKC were 0-2 in games when Russ played 41+ minutes. They were 1-1 when he played 38. Numbers never lie.

[areobee401]

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I dunno. OKC were 0-2 in games when Russ played 41+ minutes. They were 1-1 when he played 38. Numbers never lie.

Those numbers tell me absolutely nothing.

[ojandpizza]

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It also shows westbrook blacking out and chucking bricks like a mug in the 4th quarter no matter whos on his team.

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lol but that has what to do with the stat?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Wasn't questioning where you stood with it... just felt it needed to be said.

Problem is, nobody wants to use them both objectively.

It's find one that fits your argument and then create a narrative from there. I.E "Lebron isn't Clutch". That one floated around for years despite evidence suggesting otherwise but it sounded cool so people kept throwing that one out.

Numbers never lie, unless they don't fit an argument....and then it's "Well, actually...", lol

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lol but that has what to do with the stat?

Well you said eye test, there is no lol.

Stats are there to show his awful shooting in the 4th as well, especially when they lead after 3 quarters.

In the last game alone he was like 10-35 or something to that degree with 17 free throws to boot.

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[The 24th Letter]

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Use it all.

We need to ignore the people going overboard with selective stats to support their argument the same way everyone ignores the eye test only people.

I agree.

The stat King posted was pretty straight forward....even posted a blurb afterward to explain his take on it....not "see this proves it!"

I'd like to think the majority of us here are pretty level headed guys....we can put that stat into context and move on from there. No need to even discuss people who are taking it to the extreme if it's not being done here....just leads to people thinking they are being placed in that group and circular arguments.

but hey, series is over now...hopefully we can move past this topic soon...

[wwharton]

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Problem is, nobody wants to use them both objectively.

It's find one that fits your argument and then create a narrative from there. I.E "Lebron isn't Clutch". That one floated around for years despite evidence suggesting otherwise but it sounded cool so people kept throwing that one out.

Numbers never lie, unless they don't fit an argument....and then it's "Well, actually...", lol

Yeah, that's why I felt it needed to be said. You and I are on the same page, you just happened to make the post I quoted lol.

As for the stats discussion, it's nothing new or any less transparent than it ever was. Real statisticians used to have more integrity considering you learn how easily and recklessly stats can be manipulated on the 1st day of Stats 101. Anyone who's taken a stats class has heard "More people are afraid of public speaking than dying."

Of course, the reality is that's not true but stats can be used to back it... and any other argument anyone wants to make. Throwing out stats with no context is useless.

[dubcity]

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Those numbers tell me absolutely nothing.

I know. That's the point. I was being facetious. Also, threw in the name of the worst ESPN show ever.

[The 24th Letter]

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Are the Spurs looking to sign a starting PG or just move Patty Mills up?

In no way, shape or form should Patty Mills (or Parker) be the plan moving forward. It should be about developing and transitioning to D. Murray at this point unless we plan on making a FA splash....

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Yeah, that's why I felt it needed to be said. You and I are on the same page, you just happened to make the post I quoted lol.

As for the stats discussion, it's nothing new or any less transparent than it ever was. Real statisticians used to have more integrity considering you learn how easily and recklessly stats can be manipulated on the 1st day of Stats 101. Anyone who's taken a stats class has heard "More people are afraid of public speaking than dying."

Of course, the reality is that's not true but stats can be used to back it... and any other argument anyone wants to make. Throwing out stats with no context is useless.

You say stats without context is junk or useless or whatever synonym you'd like to use?

I agree, and those dudes are guilty of it a dozen times over.



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[dubcity]

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As for the stats discussion, it's nothing new or any less transparent than it ever was. Real statisticians used to have more integrity considering you learn how easily and recklessly stats can be manipulated on the 1st day of Stats 101. Anyone who's taken a stats class has heard "More people are afraid of public speaking than dying."

Of course, the reality is that's not true but stats can be used to back it... and any other argument anyone wants to make. Throwing out stats with no context is useless.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

[DieHardYankee26]

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So just to be clear... Is anyone refuting that the Thunder are worse with Russ off the floor or no?

[dsallupinyaarea]

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So just to be clear... Is anyone refuting that the Thunder are worse with Russ off the floor or no?

Like any team, they're better with their superstar on the floor.

I do think the Thunder plus/minus skews so heavily toward Russ because of how bizarre Donovan is with his rotations. He doesn't really stagger Russ/Adams like other coaches stagger their stars so when Russ sits, Adams also sits and the defense falls apart. I imagine those numbers would normalize a bit if Adams and, to a lesser extent, Dipo played more with Russ resting.

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