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    yellow
    • Sep 2002
    • 66469

    #2461
    Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by Boltman
    If he went to Houston (doubtful) they'd both act like nothing happened.
    Not that they'd have a choice but you gotta think the first thing that happens wont be good between them.

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    • CMH
      Making you famous
      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #2462
      Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

      My guess D'Antoni doesn't care what Melo thinks.

      Houston with Morey is probably the one place that would back D'Antoni over Melo in any disputes.

      Mike has the full support of Houston's big star and that also protects him.

      That said, I don't get it for Melo. If he agrees to go to Houston, it only further proves his selfishness. He would be willing to finally play under D'Antoni rules now because of Chris Paul, but couldn't be bothered to do it in the past when he was supposed to be the team leader?

      Not even sure I get Moreys fascination with him. Melo has been a cancer in New York to every coach. The one constant is teammates talking about how some guys don't buy in. This happened under D'Antoni and it happened with the triangle. The only player in both systems was Melo.

      But Morey did say they were willing to up their risk profile. This is an extreme risk for a team that knows how chemistry can take them down quickly (see Howard)

      In terms of chances of success, I know Mike has dreams of utilizing Melos talents on the court. If Melo would just listen, he could be dynamic in Houston.

      That's a nightmare to defend. Paul, Harden, Gordon and Melo with Nene streaking down the court.

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      Last edited by CMH; 07-03-2017, 07:08 AM.
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      • jb12780
        Hall of Fame
        • Oct 2008
        • 10665

        #2463
        Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

        I think it's gonna take a 3rd team to get involved cause both teams have limited to zero assets to trade.

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        • DieHardYankee26
          BING BONG
          • Feb 2008
          • 10178

          #2464
          Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

          Melo = selfish team cancer for refusing to play in system he didn't want to play in

          Phil = out of touch wannabe coach who refused to change his system and tried to force players into it

          You see why Knicks fans grow up confused.
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          • King_B_Mack
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            • Jan 2009
            • 24450

            #2465
            Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

            Derrick Rose meeting with Milwaukee today.


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            • CMH
              Making you famous
              • Oct 2002
              • 26203

              #2466
              Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

              Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
              Melo = selfish team cancer for refusing to play in system he didn't want to play in

              Phil = out of touch wannabe coach who refused to change his system and tried to force players into it

              You see why Knicks fans grow up confused.
              Ha. Fair.

              I actually side with Melo on both counts. I think a coach should adapt to his players.

              But if Melo decided to now play as D'Antoni required, it would be selfish of him to only consider his play previous but suddenly care about the team.

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              "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

              "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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              • ProfessaPackMan
                Bamma
                • Mar 2008
                • 63852

                #2467
                Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                Nets are meeting with Wiz SF Otto Porter today per CBS Sports.

                If they miss out on him, I'd like to see them go after Tim Hardaway Jr and Jamychal Green, who are both RFAs.


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                • DieHardYankee26
                  BING BONG
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 10178

                  #2468
                  Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by CMH
                  Ha. Fair.

                  I actually side with Melo on both counts. I think a coach should adapt to his players.

                  But if Melo decided to now play as D'Antoni required, it would be selfish of him to only consider his play previous but suddenly care about the team.

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                  CP3 is gonna hit him with the friend talk and explain to him that what's best for the team is best for him. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes full Olympics, I think he's always needed a player better than him that can talk to him.

                  Like JB said though this deal seems so unlikely. If we take back Ryan Anderson we end up worse off.
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                  • NYJets
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 18637

                    #2469
                    Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                    Melo might be more willing to work with D'antoni if the plan is to build the offfense around CP3 and Harden, versus build the offense around Jeremy Lin.

                    But yea makes no sense to take Anderson back. I think Ariza and Gordon could work or come close to working, but I doubt the Rockets do that.
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                    • Fresh Tendrils
                      Strike Hard and Fade Away
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 36131

                      #2470
                      Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                      If the Wizards are willing to give Porter the max then they might as well bite the ****ing bullet and do it. Next year John Wall will the highest paid on the squad so that should hopefully settle things (unless he signs that extension this year). I know Porter isn't worth the max especially on the Kings or Nets where his limitations wouldn't be offset, but we still need his contributions here. Bite the bullet.

                      Hopefully we can still keep Bogan on the bench. Apparently he's getting interest from ATL, Denver, and Sacramento. I'm sure one of them will offer him a starting spot. We still need his jump shots even with the Meeks signing. Gotta give Fraiser some shooters to kick it out to for the second squad unless Oubre makes a surprise leap in his offensive game over the off-season.



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                      • roadman
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                        • Aug 2003
                        • 26339

                        #2471
                        Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                        Derrick Rose meeting with Milwaukee today.


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                        No, just no.

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                        • jeremym480
                          Speak it into existence
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 18198

                          #2472
                          Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                          Originally posted by J_Posse
                          How is Boston, or Miami for that matter, the better option when both are overloaded with players that play Gordon's best and secondary position?

                          His best move is staying put and seeing if Utah can take the next step. Utah should also seriously think about offloading Derrick Favors for a better fitting PF (LaMarcus Aldridge, please).

                          No, matter fact let him go east so Kawhi has one less SF to worry about (3 - 4 × a year).


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                          Stevens doesn't really do traditional positions, so Gordon and most of the traditional SF's can play anywhere from 2 through 4 with lots of possible combinations.

                          Originally posted by BleacherBum2310
                          I think BOS is the more talented team when in regards to Miami. Miami would become a top 4 seed BOS already is that's all. BOS best lineups all season long were Crowder a smallball 4 so not sure why much would really change. so I don't get that.

                          I don't deny UTAH is v good option. and now that they retained Ingles it's probably likely destination.
                          It probably all comes down to Hayward and his families personal preference, but I don't see many basketball reasons why he would stay in Utah. The path to the playoffs, All-Star appearances, etc, are all much tougher in the West and I feel that Hill was a better fit beside Hayward than Rubio, so they will take a step back as a team this season. And after this season they'll probably lose some of their key players since they have a lot (Favors, Hood, JJ, Exum, and Diaw) in the final year of their deals. They're not much of a FA destination, so there's a chance that they've already peaked.

                          Miami may be a better place to live quality of life wise and a betetr FA destination than both Boston or Utah. However, even with Hayward, Whiteside, and Dragic, they're still a player away (which they can't afford) from being true contenders in the East. Boston is already a top team in the East and as currently constructed of the three teams would be the closest to making a run at the Finals. Plus, Boston's future is much brighter. Obviously, they have a ton of quality draft picks going forward, whereas Utah only has their own picks (which shouldn't be that great) and Miami has their picks next year (protected 1-7, so it's likely gone) and in 2021 going to Phoenix.

                          I wouldn't bet on him leaving Utah, but if I were a Jazz fan I would be nervous. I mean, how many max level FA's in the past few years have we seen go on a serious FA tour and not leave? Melo is the only one I can think of.
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                          • ProfessaPackMan
                            Bamma
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 63852

                            #2473
                            Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
                            If the Wizards are willing to give Porter the max then they might as well bite the ****ing bullet and do it. Next year John Wall will the highest paid on the squad so that should hopefully settle things (unless he signs that extension this year). I know Porter isn't worth the max especially on the Kings or Nets where his limitations wouldn't be offset, but we still need his contributions here. Bite the bullet.

                            Hopefully we can still keep Bogan on the bench. Apparently he's getting interest from ATL, Denver, and Sacramento. I'm sure one of them will offer him a starting spot. We still need his jump shots even with the Meeks signing. Gotta give Fraiser some shooters to kick it out to for the second squad unless Oubre makes a surprise leap in his offensive game over the off-season.
                            Question: How do you build the rest of the team going forward over the next 2-3 years knowing that Wall, Beal, Porter and Mahimni are pretty much taking up all of the cap space?
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                            • Fresh Tendrils
                              Strike Hard and Fade Away
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 36131

                              #2474
                              Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                              Question: How do you build the rest of the team going forward over the next 2-3 years knowing that Wall, Beal, Porter and Mahimni are pretty much taking up all of the cap space?
                              Ernie lives on the thin line between a god awful mess and organized chaos.

                              I still hate the Mahimi contract. He has to show something this year or we'll need not only a backup to Gortat but a replacement for Gortat, too. I'm OK with where they're at and what they've done. They've added some good pieces to the bench. Hopefully will keep the starting lineup together.

                              Looking forward I want him thinking about who we're going to get to be our big man once Gortat is done or needs replacing, though. I would love to get Boogie or someone similar, but I don't know if that is a pipe-dream or even worth mentioning anymore.



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                              • 23
                                yellow
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 66469

                                #2475
                                Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

                                Nick Young hanging with draymond last night in a club.

                                Dude really going to the warriors huh

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