2017 Offseason Thread

[JazzMan]

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I really like what Utah has built.. but if I'm Hayward there is no way I wouldn't go to Miami. The weather, the tax break. They've got good management, more attractive for other players compared to Utah or Boston. And I really think Spo gets better as a coach each season.


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The Jazz have a younger core. Gobert is better and younger than Whiteside.

Plus they don't even have Joe Ingles. He's re-signing, no doubt.

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[2KUte]

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[vtcha]

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The Kings have reportedly offered Otto Porter a four-year, max-deal worth $106 million.

Wowzers.. Wizards will probably match it though.

[Checmate101]

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Wizards..you better match the max the Kings gave Otto...sad thing is, Otto about to be the highest paid player on the team

[Themayorofawsometown]

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The Jazz have a younger core. Gobert is better and younger than Whiteside.

Plus they don't even have Joe Ingles. He's re-signing, no doubt.

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If Gordon wants a chance to make it to the finals the east is the way to go. Dragic,dion,Heyward,babbit/JJ/vet min PF/Whiteside is a top 4 seed in the east. The jazz might not make the playoffs in the west

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[TMagic]

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Wizards..you better match the max the Kings gave Otto...sad thing is, Otto about to be the highest paid player on the team

This may be a dumb question. But whatever...

Do teams purposely offer contracts to players they don't necessarily "want" in an effort to make others teams spend more on a guy that they actually wanted, all in an effort to put a stranglehold on an opposing teams cap?

Kinda like in Auction Drafts. You have 200 to start with. I put up Marshawn for auction knowing there will be some bidders, even though I have no interest in getting him (at least not at the projected price point). I bid it up knowing that someone else REALLY wants him and will essentially pay more to get him. Then I drop out the bidding, allowing the other player to have him.

Now they've spent a huge sum on a player I've never wanted and they will be strapped for cash the rest of the way.

Long example...but I hope it explains what I'm getting at here. Lol

[King_B_Mack]

2017 Offseason Thread

If he was really serious about winning, he'd sign on for a chance to be apart of what's happening in Chicago. Without him we can win another two or three Summer League titles. Without us he can win one maybe? Together we can win a bunch. Who else can offer him that? [emoji471]


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[BleacherBum2310]

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If Gordon wants a chance to make it to the finals the east is the way to go. Dragic,dion,Heyward,babbit/JJ/vet min PF/Whiteside is a top 4 seed in the east. The jazz might not make the playoffs in the west

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if that's the case the C's are the better option lol.

I think he's going back to Utah. unfortunately.

[King_B_Mack]

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This may be a dumb question. But whatever...

Do teams purposely offer contracts to players they don't necessarily "want" in an effort to make others teams spend more on a guy that they actually wanted, all in an effort to put a stranglehold on an opposing teams cap?

Kinda like in Auction Drafts. You have 200 to start with. I put up Marshawn for auction knowing there will be some bidders, even though I have no interest in getting him (at least not at the projected price point). I bid it up knowing that someone else REALLY wants him and will essentially pay more to get him. Then I drop out the bidding, allowing the other player to have him.

Now they've spent a huge sum on a player I've never wanted and they will be strapped for cash the rest of the way.

Long example...but I hope it explains what I'm getting at here. Lol

Absolutely. Happens all the time. It's why the poison pill contract exists. Houston/Morey spent years signing restricted guys to ridiculous contracts designed to discourage their original team from matching because it would effectively kill their salary cap flexibility signing someone who the other team may only "kinda" want. Omer Asik is a prime example of that off the top of my head. The Bulls did it with JJ Redick before they signed Kyle Korver.

[Themayorofawsometown]

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if that's the case the C's are the better option lol.

I think he's going back to Utah. unfortunately.

I think that the heat and Celtics are pretty close to each other in terms of organizations(Roster, Coaching, GM) so it to me seems to come down to non basketball factors and how much he wants to stay on the jazz.

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[Scott812313]

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If Gordon wants a chance to make it to the finals the east is the way to go. Dragic,dion,Heyward,babbit/JJ/vet min PF/Whiteside is a top 4 seed in the east. The jazz might not make the playoffs in the west

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For real, Babbit?

[Themayorofawsometown]

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For real, Babbit?

I don't think he'll be the starter next season but right now its him, JJ(who could have started last year but stayed in the 6th man role), and our draft pick

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[3304Life]

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I get that the East isn't strong but that's not a 4th seed roster.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Absolutely. Happens all the time. It's why the poison pill contract exists. Houston/Morey spent years signing restricted guys to ridiculous contracts designed to discourage their original team from matching because it would effectively kill their salary cap flexibility signing someone who the other team may only "kinda" want. Omer Asik is a prime example of that off the top of my head. The Bulls did it with JJ Redick before they signed Kyle Korver.

Didn't they remove the poison pill in the new CBA? Or at least make changes to where it's not as much of a detriment to the RFA's current team?

[jfsolo]

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Didn't they remove the poison pill in the new CBA? Or at least make changes to where it's not as much of a detriment to the RFA's current team?

Yeah, this is how it is now.

However, the impact of this poison pill was reduced in the 2017 CBA, when matching teams were given the ability to choose whether the actual or average salary counted toward their team salary.

The offer to Porter by the Kings, if true, is just a flat out RFA max deal, where either team will be paying the same annual salary in each year.