2017 Offseason Thread

[Cavsfan4life]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Like I mentioned earlier, I think the BKN pick had more to do with the Cs not willing to include Tatum in the deal, not ITs injury concern, which again, Boston made it seem it like IT was farther along than what the Cavs doctors saw. Really don't see how hard that is to understand, it's happened before in the league.

Also, I think the shock of the deal is in part because the Cs could have traded for Jimmy or George, not because of the deal itself.

[IlliniM1ke]

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Also, I think the shock of the deal is in part because the Cs could have traded for Jimmy or George, not because of the deal itself.

No they couldn't, those deals took place before Hayward was signed.

If the Pacers had waited then George would most likely be a Celtic but they pulled the trigger before FA.

[CMH]

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Like I mentioned earlier, I think the BKN pick had more to do with the Cs not willing to include Tatum in the deal, not ITs injury concern, which again, Boston made it seem it like IT was farther along than what the Cavs doctors saw. Really don't see how hard that is to understand, it's happened before in the league.

Also, I think the shock of the deal is in part because the Cs could have traded for Jimmy or George, not because of the deal itself.

You keep bringing up the BK pick. I mentioned the overall package.

Reports out there said Cleveland was willing to accept a player and top pick for Irving from Phoenix.

To me, Boston offered that player and a potential top pick. Then because of that player's injury and to top other offers, included a promising young center and one of the best value contracts for a good role player in the league.

That gave up enough.

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[Cavsfan4life]

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No they couldn't, those deals took place before Hayward was signed.

If the Pacers had waited then George would most likely be a Celtic but they pulled the trigger before FA.

Yea I know, I'm talking about before they signed Hayward, they were linked to both players and their were reports that they wouldn't be willing to send the BKN pick in the last or future draft for either of them.

[Cavsfan4life]

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You keep bringing up the BK pick. I mentioned the overall package.

Reports out there said Cleveland was willing to accept a player and top pick for Irving from Phoenix.

To me, Boston offered that player and a potential top pick. Then because of that player's injury and to top other offers, included a promising young center and one of the best value contracts for a good role player in the league.

That gave up enough.

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We can talk about the overall deal, but as for PHX, if that report was true, Kyrie would be in PHX. Sun's wouldn't budge on including Josh Jackson, along with a guy like Bledsoe and a pick.

As far the Boston deal goes, I'd agree that the deal would be enough as is, if IT was healthy, or at least as healthy as the Cs said he was, but the doctors don't think he is. Cavs are trying to still compete as well as have something for the future, that doesn't happen if IT can't play.

So if IT was healthy, the deal would be IT and the Brooklyn pick? I doubt the Cavs pick up the phone.

[ricky24]

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Like I mentioned earlier, I think the BKN pick had more to do with the Cs not willing to include Tatum in the deal, not ITs injury concern, which again, Boston made it seem it like IT was farther along than what the Cavs doctors saw. Really don't see how hard that is to understand, it's happened before in the league.
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It's not that it's hard to understand it's just that most people don't agree with it.

[ricky24]

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So if IT was healthy, the deal would be IT and the Brooklyn pick? I doubt the Cavs pick up the phone.

Don't think this would work money wise. So no it wouldn't be.

[CMH]

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We can talk about the overall deal, but as for PHX, if that report was true, Kyrie would be in PHX. Sun's wouldn't budge on including Josh Jackson, along with a guy like Bledsoe and a pick.

As far the Boston deal goes, I'd agree that the deal would be enough as is, if IT was healthy, or at least as healthy as the Cs said he was, but the doctors don't think he is. Cavs are trying to still compete as well as have something for the future, that doesn't happen if IT can't play.

So if IT was healthy, the deal would be IT and the Brooklyn pick? I doubt the Cavs pick up the phone.

No I don't think just those two are enough if Thomas is healthy.

The Phoenix proposal from Cleveland was the pick that turned into Jackson + Bledsoe. Phoenix said no when it was the pick and no again when it was Josh Jackson. That's what I read at least. Of course rumors can be wrong.

All we do know for sure is Boston made the best offer which is what I'm commenting on.

My opinion is Cleveland knew Thomas wasn't 100%. I think you disagree and that's where we stand.

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[ricky24]

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Yea I know, I'm talking about before they signed Hayward, they were linked to both players and their were reports that they wouldn't be willing to send the BKN pick in the last or future draft for either of them.

Think they always preferred to sign Hayward over trading the nets pick for butler for obvious reasons. Hayward and Tatum is clearly better than having just butler.

And 2 years of kyrie is worth more than 1 of Paul George. I still think it would have been silly to deal any nets pick for PG because of his contract and desire to play in LA.

[Cavsfan4life]

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No I don't think just those two are enough if Thomas is healthy.

The Phoenix proposal from Cleveland was the pick that turned into Jackson + Bledsoe. Phoenix said no when it was the pick and no again when it was Josh Jackson. That's what I read at least. Of course rumors can be wrong.

All we do know for sure is Boston made the best offer which is what I'm commenting on.

My opinion is Cleveland knew Thomas wasn't 100%. I think you disagree and that's where we stand.

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Yea reports are always going to be different. I agree that Boston offered the best deal so far. I also agree that the Cavs knew IT wasn't 100%, but I think they are concerned with the severity of it. Reports had him ready by the start of camps or maybe a month into the season, now after the Cavs doctors took a look at him, it might be longer.

Think they always preferred to sign Hayward over trading the nets pick for butler for obvious reasons. Hayward and Tatum is clearly better than having just butler.

And 2 years of kyrie is worth more than 1 of Paul George. I still think it would have been silly to deal any nets pick for PG because of his contract and desire to play in LA.

For sure, but I'd still think I'd rather have Butler over Kyrie, but you're right it would have been difficult to make other moves for them.

[The 24th Letter]

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Reports out of Cleveland and Boston which state the Celtics were upfront about the condition of It's hip. Nothing in physical should have come as a surprise.

Sounds like Boston were unwilling to add a sweetener to deal as of last night.

Reports also say that CLE was surprised IT hadn't even started running yet after the exam...

being that IT isnt the first player to fail a physical I'm going to say there's situations where the doctors findings differ from what was discussed....

If 'he may not be able to start the season' looks more like 'this will be a year long issue' on the MRI.....Im calling back too.




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[ricky24]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Lmao. They are asking for Tatum or Brown according to reports. Good talk Cavs. Good talk.

[areobee401]

2017 Offseason Thread

Reports also say that CLE was surprised IT hadn't even started running yet after the exam...

being that IT isnt the first player to fail a physical I'm going to say there's situations where the doctors findings differ from what was discussed....

If 'he may not be able to start the season' looks more like 'this will be a year long issue' on the MRI.....Im calling back too.




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Ainge underselling IT's medical condition like suggested in the post quoted, is different from Cleveland team doctors having concerns after conducting their own physical.

I don't doubt the Cleveland medical team had newly discovered concerns, but to say one side is fudging medical data is something I don't buy for a second.

[CMH]

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Lmao. They are asking for Tatum or Brown according to reports. Good talk Cavs. Good talk.

This trade is dead.

And I don't believe in the chemistry would be broken argument. Zizic won't care. Crowder could be moved in a different deal. And if Cleveland is right, IT won't be playing anyway.

Same with Irving. He isn't going to sit out or anything. Cleveland will find another partner.

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[BleacherBum2310]

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the only way this deal ever made sense was if you heavily factored in the IT2 Hip Injury.. lmajddhsjs at asking for Jaylen or Tatum. I would only give them a 2nd rounder I wouldn't give up the MEM 19 pick either.