2017 Offseason Thread

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

All comes down to moral principles when doing business. There are ways to go about "bullying" another organization into giving extra assets in a trade. Both sides have to feel the other is dealing under good faith. Has to be trust there. Demanding more in return after conducting a physical in which no new information was found is the complete opposite.

If Kevin O'Connor is to be believed, it was Dan Gilbert pulling the strings behind the scenes. Explains a lot about how things went down. "Bullied" Boston into surrendering a 2020 second round pick while alienating Isaiah Thomas in the process just to save face with your fanbase.

I look at morals in business like the "unwritten rules of baseball". They don't exist.

I guess it's just perspective. Alienating Isaiah is not an issue for the Cavs, he's injured and on a one year deal. It's not like he was their best player for a few years, carried the franchise on his back and was a fan favorite. He doesn't mean to Cleveland what he would mean to Boston. If the team he bled for didn't mind alienating him, why would the Cavs in their acquisition of him?

[ricky24]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Gilbert going to Gilbert. This is why players want to leave and people were turning down the GM job.

[wco81]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Gilbert is probably going to sell that second round pick to the Warriors for a couple of million.

[jeremym480]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

So they did the physical, and decided they wanted more afterwards. I would still say that they saw something in the physical they weren't comfortable with, but that's semantics.

I guess I just don't see that other stuff as the work of a garbage organization. It's almost opposite. I'd love if my team could bully another organization into giving us an extra pick through the media. Sounds like a GM I want in my front office. Cavs didn't lose anything but a week.

Like areobee said if what's been reported is true nothing new was found in the physical, then I don't really see how the Cav's had a leg to stand on in getting the deal voided.

Also, if they really thought Thomas was going to be out for the year, then I'm sure they would have voided the deal. The Brooklyn pick is probably the best asset that was offered to them, however, that pick doesn't help them (meaning LeBron) this year. I 100% believe if IT was going to miss the year like was leaked, then it would have been voided and I couldn't blame them for that.

Instead, they let these rumors fly about IT's injury which likely caused his value to get diminished (in his contract year, in what is likely his last chance to get a big payday and he's a guy that's never really been paid what he deserves) all for a second round pick. That's bush league in my opinion.... with that said, if IT is out for the year then I will gladly own it and take back what I said about them being a trash organization.

Until then Imma get my countdown clock for "The Le-Decision: Part Deux".... Only about 10 more months until we watch <s> the world </s> LeBron's Cleveland Jersey's burn (again).

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

I can see teams not wanting to deal with the Cavs but let's be real. If the Cavs come calling with a good offer teams are going to listen. The Cavs can't and won't get away with doing these types of things in future trades.

Teams aren't going to be ignoring the Cavs like y'all think they will, even if they're the ones initiating the call.

They'll be fine and so will everybody else. Both sides have been funny to me though.

[scottyp180]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Instead, they let these rumors fly about IT's injury which likely caused his value to get diminished (in his contract year, in what is likely his last chance to get a big payday and he's a guy that's never really been paid what he deserves) all for a second round pick.

I'm not convinced that all the rumors hurt IT's value. It might have hurt his trade value had the deal been voided or if the Cavs want to try to flip him later but, regardless, he is still injured and everyone was already aware. Even if no one knew how bad the injury was they were going to find out eventually based on how much time he misses this year and how well he performs. Trade or no trade IT's value would go down if he misses significant time and/or doesn't look like the same player. For his sake I hope he plays this year and looks like the same player but if he doesn't it's a result of the injury, not all the rumors and here say about the injury.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

The NBA’s Pacers-prompted investigation into the Lakers tampering with Paul George is complete.

The unsurprising result? The Lakers tampered. The unsurprising result? The league actually did something about it.

NBA release:

The NBA announced today that it has fined the Los Angeles Lakers $500,000 for violating the league’s anti-tampering rule. This action followed an independent investigation by the law firm Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz.

The conduct at issue involved communications by Lakers General Manager Rob Pelinka with the agent representing Paul George that constituted a prohibited expression of interest in the player while he was under contract. The penalty reflected a previous warning issued by the NBA to the Lakers regarding tampering, following comments made by Lakers President of Basketball Operations Earvin Johnson about Paul George during an April 20 national television appearance.

The investigation did not reveal evidence of an agreement or understanding that the Lakers would sign or acquire Mr. George.

The NBA’s anti-tampering rule prohibits teams from interfering with other teams’ contractual relationships with NBA players, including by publicly expressing interest in a player who is currently under contract with another team or informing the agent of another team’s player of interest by one’s own team in that player.

The Lakers got off relatively clean.

Sure, the fine is large. The Timberwolves getting fined $3.5 million for an under-the-table agreement with Joe Smith is the only larger one I know of. (There have been other $500,000 fines – Heat owner Micky Arison for tweets during the lockout, Vladimir Radmanovic for injuring his shoulder while snowboarding, the Knicks and Nuggets each for their brawl, Joe Dumars for leaking confidential league memos and, of course, Mark Cuban for criticizing officiating.)

But that pales in comparison to the potential consequences the Lakers faced – losing draft picks and/or being prohibited from signing George. This fine will barely slow the operation. Other penalties could have.

Lakers president Magic Johnson was presumed to be at fault, because he had gotten the Lakers fined for tampering before (while still holding a ceremonial front-office title) and because he went on television to wink at George. But it was actually general manager Rob Pelinka, a former agent, caught red-handed. If his efforts help lure George from the Thunder, it will have been worth it.

The Buss family might miss the $500,000, but here’s the big story for everyone else: The Lakers are still in the thick of the Paul George sweepstakes and still have the picks they’d need to unload Luol Deng‘s and maybe Jordan Clarkson‘s contracts to clear cap space.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[ricky24]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread



.........

[jeremym480]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

I'm not convinced that all the rumors hurt IT's value. It might have hurt his trade value had the deal been voided or if the Cavs want to try to flip him later but, regardless, he is still injured and everyone was already aware. Even if no one knew how bad the injury was they were going to find out eventually based on how much time he misses this year and how well he performs. Trade or no trade IT's value would go down if he misses significant time and/or doesn't look like the same player. For his sake I hope he plays this year and looks like the same player but if he doesn't it's a result of the injury, not all the rumors and here say about the injury.

If he comes back and plays like he did last year then, yeah I don't think it hurt him that much. However, I don't think IT was comfortable with the rumors flying around for a week. Hence him having to go to ESPN to defend himself since his new team was using his injury as a negotiation tactic.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

from The Ringer article-

As recently as this Tuesday morning, the Celtics had had only nominal contact with the Cavaliers, according to multiple sources. Cleveland had not asked the Celtics to add anything to the trade, despite*Woj’s previous reports. On Tuesday evening, Woj reported that the Cavs had engaged with the Celtics to “find a solution,” possibly including a late first- or a second-rounder instead of Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown. Then on Wednesday, Woj said on*SportsCenter*that Cleveland would not ask for anything extra to complete the trade.

So Cleveland didn't even ask for additional assets?

So this was all a grand scheme to just embarrass IT? I'm trying to find the angle here.

Yeah, I'm going with CLE found something on the scan they didn't like and took some extra time.

[areobee401]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Never formally asked for additional compensation, yet leaked desired compensation to Woj in order to cast doubt surrounding the deal, IT's long-term health and keep open the door for other teams to take own final swing at Kyrie, even after the deal was agreed upon.

Shady and unethical tactics on Cleveland's part all around.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

So we turning this into something else to throw on Dan Gilbert? "Gilbert gonna Gilbert?" Maybe whatever they found in the physical wasn't THAT bad, but it was something because if I'm the Celtics and everything was on the up and up, why would I even give them that 2020 second round pick? I'd call their bluff and tell them to kick rocks.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

[jeremym480]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

So we turning this into something else to throw on Dan Gilbert? "Gilbert gonna Gilbert?" .

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2017 Offseason Thread

Anyway, in completely irrelevant, "wtf are they even doing right now" news.

The Chicago Bulls are finalizing a trade with the New Orleans Pelicans to send a second round pick to the Pelicans for Quincy Pondexter and a 2018 second round pick and cash. Pondexter hasn't played since the 2014-2015 season due to a knee injury.

I have no words for GarPax at this point. We're trading away for another second round pick this year after giving away a damn second round pick that we could have used to get Jordan Bell, but instead we'd rather trade for a 29 year old Pondexter (who'll be 30 before the season is over) coming off a knee injury that's cost him the last 2 years of his career, even though we're supposedly in a rebuild? What in the actual hell are they doing?