2018 Off-Season Thread

[BleacherBum2310]

Re: 2018 Off-Season Thread

barring he actually suits up for them TOR got so much better today it's not even funny. I'm not a DDR fan at all. They did it without giving up OG or Siakam.

I hate that we have to pay attention to that team now though.

Boston is still the clear favorite but i could see them pushing PHI now.

[georgiafan]

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WHOA, that's a bold move for OKC -- Schroder? I guess as a sixth-man? Or do you run out a lineup of Schroder, Westbrook, George, Grant, Adams? Muscala isn't terrible either as a serviceable stretch-four.


Interesting. Didn't feel that ATL was so desperate to move on from Schroder they'd take Melo ... surprised they're not trying to attach Plumlee's gross contract to this.

Anytime you can make a trade with the Hawks and GM Travis whatever his last name is then you do it because there is a 100% chance the hawks will not get good enough value.

He isn't smart enough to try and attach a bad contract to a trade when getting back Melo despite the fact that he has the upper hand. It looks like the deal was talked about before the Lin trade so now the Hawks no longer have the cap space to just take on Melo. Lin can also be traded right away so keep a eye out on that. If you look back at his previous trades its a guarantee the Thunder will win any trade made with the Hawks. If a team holds out and takes on Dennis they could give us a worse player/ contract and still get a good asset in return that's how bad Travis is.

Schroder I am higher on then most he is one of the best players in the NBA in driving to the rim and him going to OKC in a 6th man role is perfect for him.

[ojandpizza]

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Dude, you have some weird issue with undermining Kawhi's game/talent level.

I'll let someone else sing his praises, but Leonard is definitely better than Giannis if he's back to 2016 - 2017 form.

By the end of this upcoming season that might not be the case, though.

I'm just happy he's no longer on the team, although we have a gaping hole at SF (not sure Rudy can play it full - time) and our perimeter offense is even worse than before.

Also, Jakob Poetl is a massive upgrade over Joffrey Lauvergne. He could possibly be starting by mid season and can learn under two great centers (Pau & Timmy).



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I actually really like Kawhi and his game, I've been on the "I want to see LeBron in San Antonio" train ever since he had a chance to leave Miami primarily because of how much I like Kawhi's game and Pop's ability to coach up his guys.

I'm just being realistic in my opinions. There are players who I believe their game impacts the other 4 guys on the court with them a bit more than Kawhi, and Giannis is one of them. To me I don't feel like it's me undermining Kawhi but more so that I'm not going to undermine other players advantages just because Kawhi is the best perimeter defender in the league and had one good scoring season. I know some don't see it that way, but I'm actually a huge fan of Kawhi's game.

[ehh]

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I agree with OJ that I don't see this improving the Raptors that much. Kawhi will play but I don't see his heart being in it and he'll probably want to sit out every game he has an ache or a bruise. If I had to guess I'd say he'll play 65-70 games. It will also be interesting to see him outside Pop's system. Even in an ideal situation where he's fully healthy and his heart is in it, I would take Boston and Philly over Toronto and likely MIL as well with Bud at the helm.

Toronto simply doesn't have the horses to be a threatening postseason team in the East even with the upgrade Kawhi brings.

If this is the first move in Toronto rebuilding then it's a weird one unless there's another shoe to drop and Lowry gets moved. You can't do the "we're going to sort of start to rebuild but still try to make the playoffs" nonsense in the NBA. You've got to pick a direction and go.

[ojandpizza]

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I think OKC is about to be a problem for people. Anything that upgrades Raymond Felton as the back up is a big plus for them. And I also see no reason why he can't also get some burn at the same time as Russ just like Harden, Jackson, and Vic did.

[cima]

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I'm so glad the Lakers didn't gut their assets just to team Kawhi with LeBron this year. Not sure if he's as much of a diva he's being made out to be but he's not doing himself any favors by not saying anything.

Nothing from the reports make sense, I just wanna hear his take on the whole situation.

[cima]

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Man it this true? Toronto really did him dirty...

DeMar DeRozan took a $14 million discount from the available max back in 2016 when he signed his 5 year contract so that the team had more cap flexibility to sign other players.

[ojandpizza]

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I'm so glad the Lakers didn't gut their assets just to team Kawhi with LeBron this year. Not sure if he's as much of a diva he's being made out to be but he's not doing himself any favors by not saying anything.

Nothing from the reports make sense, I just wanna hear his take on the whole situation.

He needs to just back this whole "I don't want to be here" rumor that's going around so the Raptors will enter "rebuild" mode and they will trade him to the Lakers for Ingram and some picks. Especially if they can unload the Deng contract.

Unloading Deng and Ingram would just clear another 25+ mil going into next off-season on top of all of their expiring deals they just got on 1 year contracts, and trading Ingram while retaining Hart, Kuz, Ball would not be "gutting" themselves.

[trekfan]

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Anytime you can make a trade with the Hawks and GM Travis whatever his last name is then you do it because there is a 100% chance the hawks will not get good enough value.

He isn't smart enough to try and attach a bad contract to a trade when getting back Melo despite the fact that he has the upper hand. It looks like the deal was talked about before the Lin trade so now the Hawks no longer have the cap space to just take on Melo. Lin can also be traded right away so keep a eye out on that. If you look back at his previous trades its a guarantee the Thunder will win any trade made with the Hawks. If a team holds out and takes on Dennis they could give us a worse player/ contract and still get a good asset in return that's how bad Travis is.

Schroder I am higher on then most he is one of the best players in the NBA in driving to the rim and him going to OKC in a 6th man role is perfect for him.

Yeah, I've been reading around the Hawks blogs/reddit and GM Travis Schlenk hasn't exactly won many trades ... he seems to get neutral value in the best of circumstances.



I like Schroder, feel like his best ball is ahead of him -- he just needs structure and a coach who can communicate with him. Not sure if OKC fits that profile ... if he's really gonna be a sixth-man for OKC, I fear he might try to out Westbrook Westbrook, which wouldn't be ideal.



Schroder is a starter in this league and on a solid, relatively cheap contract ... this is a steal of OKC value-wise. I feel the Hawks could have shopped him to Phoenix or Orlando for better value.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yeah, Schroeder and Westbrook aren’t going to be a good fit at all, as much as I back Russ.

Unless someone is going to make a strong case that Schroeder can be as effective without the ball in his hand as he is with it?

[Majingir]

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June 2016:
Durant was in OKC
Cousins was in Sacramento
Lebron/Kyrie were in Cleveland
Kawhi was in San Antonio
DeRozan was in Toronto
CP3/Blake were in Clippers
George was in Indiana
Butler was in Chicago
Carmelo was in New York
Hayward was in Utah

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Even in an ideal situation where he's fully healthy and his heart is in it, I would take Boston and Philly over Toronto and likely MIL as well with Bud at the helm.

I mean we seen/remember(at least I hope people still do even though it’s been 2 years)that THAT Kawhi was a top 3-5 player in the league. Guys like that usually make significant impacts on their teams, do they not?

Milwaukee is still a question mark because we haven’t seen them in action with Bud, as great as he is. Boston healthy, yeah and also Philly but is the gap between those 3 really that big?

Toronto simply doesn't have the horses to be a threatening postseason team in the East even with the upgrade Kawhi brings.

To be determined.

[georgiafan]

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Yeah, I've been reading around the Hawks blogs/reddit and GM Travis Schlenk hasn't exactly won many trades ... he seems to get neutral value in the best of circumstances.



I like Schroder, feel like his best ball is ahead of him -- he just needs structure and a coach who can communicate with him. Not sure if OKC fits that profile ... if he's really gonna be a sixth-man for OKC, I fear he might try to out Westbrook Westbrook, which wouldn't be ideal.



Schroder is a starter in this league and on a solid, relatively cheap contract ... this is a steal of OKC value-wise. I feel the Hawks could have shopped him to Phoenix or Orlando for better value.

A brief overview of his trades

Traded Howard for Plumlee and got the worst player, contract and draft pick (swapped 2nd) You have to try really hard to get the worst in all 3 of those areas in the same deal.

Passed up on Doncic for Young and the only asset he got was 1st round pick which is top 5 protected in a weak draft. The Mavs now have DJ so at best that pick is outside the top 10. Everyone knows the gamble that this trade was

traded the 34th pick in this past draft for next years 2nd round pick. This was a strong draft and everyone agrees next years isn't as deep. The best you can hope for is the pick that's lower then the 34th pick next year with the only asset coming back a 23 2nd round pick. Keep in mind the Hawks had roster spots for 4 rookies.

Spent the entire year talking about how the cap space was going to be used to take on bad contracts and get future asset. The Hawks and Kings are the only teams in the entire NBA with cap space to take on a bad contract and get a 1st round pick. What does he do spends about all the cap space to get Lin and the only asset he gets back is a 2nd round that's 7 years away. This allows the Nets to take on Faried and get the 1st round pick. Even if you assume Lin comes back full strength from his injury what good is he doing on a team that's not going anywhere. He is either bad and not the player he was before or he is good and leaves in the offseason.

He just bought Marco and Irsyan out last year who was key players for the 76ers. I find it hard to believe nobody would have gave us some kind of asset for them.

[trekfan]

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A brief overview of his trades

Traded Howard for Plumlee and got the worst player, contract and draft pick (swapped 2nd) You have to try really hard to get the worst in all 3 of those areas in the same deal.

Passed up on Doncic for Young and the only asset he got was 1st round pick which is top 5 protected in a weak draft. The Mavs now have DJ so at best that pick is outside the top 10. Everyone knows the gamble that this trade was

traded the 34th pick in this past draft for next years 2nd round pick. This was a strong draft and everyone agrees next years isn't as deep. The best you can hope for is the pick that's lower then the 34th pick next year with the only asset coming back a 23 2nd round pick. Keep in mind the Hawks had roster spots for 4 rookies.

Spent the entire year talking about how the cap space was going to be used to take on bad contracts and get future asset. The Hawks and Kings are the only teams in the entire NBA with cap space to take on a bad contract and get a 1st round pick. What does he do spends about all the cap space to get Lin and the only asset he gets back is a 2nd round that's 7 years away. This allows the Nets to take on Faried and get the 1st round pick. Even if you assume Lin comes back full strength from his injury what good is he doing on a team that's not going anywhere. He is either bad and not the player he was before or he is good and leaves in the offseason.

He just bought Marco and Irsyan out last year who was key players for the 76ers. I find it hard to believe nobody would have gave us some kind of asset for them.

That is a damning recap of his deals. Well-done, sir.


Yeah, looking at it like that ... well, at least he's not giving Joe Johnson monster contracts? I mean, he's not Billy King levels of bad here, but he's certainly not winning any trade at all.



I guess you can take solace in the fact that if Trae Young plays poorly over the next 2-3 seasons, your GM will be axed. If Donic plays better than Young in year 1 (like a lot better), the odds of him getting axed greatly increase.

[DamnYanks2]

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You'd think Kawhi would be anxious to get out there start new and prove the doubters wrong. But he doesn't even sound like he cares about basketball anymore. Toronto did Dero wrong. It will probably come back to bite them.

Honestly I think SA got a steal. Derozan on the other hand is a hungry player and might really shine in SA.

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