11/6 - 11/12 Games Discussion Thread

[CMH]

Re: 11/6 - 11/12 Games Discussion Thread

Kyrie is whack for that one. Team has plenty of vets. Now he wants a broken down player to sit on the bench too?

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[areobee401]

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The team operated just fine last year in the postseason with Al, Baynes, and Morris acting as veteran locker room voices. *shrug*

Fact is the head coach and players have all sucked as a unit. Figure the **** out and shut the **** up, Kyrie.

[ojandpizza]

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Lakers played pretty much everyone close in their losses as well, even against the playoff level teams, I think there is still chemistry issues, and figuring out how they are going to close games, and what lines-up to use. All of that will cause inconsistencies. It's good for them to get these wins, even if it is the Hawks, because it is teaching some of those younger guys how to close out games. Or how not to.

Even if some of the wins are ugly being able to close these games with young guys on the floor. Ingram had a big 4th quarter a couple games ago, something he hasn't done all year, and they closed this last game with Kuz, Ingram, Hart all on the floor, something Luke was trying to do with 4 old guys and Kuz at center early on. Some of them still haven't played well, and their shots aren't coming around as quickly as they should, but being able to play those guys in those situations is going to be part of this growing process for them all year long.

The 3 point shooting is getting there, they really just need Kuz to start hitting his at his projected rate and they'll be fine. Hart up to nearly 45%, Ingram, Lonzo are clmibing closer to that just under 40% mark, LeBron will likely round out to his high 30's norm, Lance is shooting over 40%, KCP and Kuz just aren't hitting as expected.

This is however an awful free throw shooting team. Last time I checked of all the players getting regular minutes LeBron was their best free throw shooter. Looks like Lance and Kuz passed him up over the last couple of games, but KCP was the only decent free throw guy they had and he's getting less and less minutes and not playing late. If he ever finds his shot he might have to take some of Hart's late game minutes, can't leave him on the floor late when he's bricking open 3's though and Hart is shooting nearly 45% on his.

I think if you told most people than Brandon Ingram and KCP would be playing at the level they have been that the Lakers would have winning record right now fans would take it. They've got to be better, at least Ingram since with the new rotation KCP doesn't even necessarily have to play many minutes.

[CMH]

Re: 11/6 - 11/12 Games Discussion Thread

Also with Boston, they are 3-1 at home. Struggles are on the road.

With exception being Toronto, the other teams above them are also not flawless on the road. Philly is 1-6!

Boston has played 3-4 less games at home than the other teams. If you flip that, they could potentially be 10-3 or 9-4 and no one would be worried.

This is just a tough stretch early on.

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[ojandpizza]

Re: 11/6 - 11/12 Games Discussion Thread

To expand on that, Ingram is expected to be their 2nd best player, he has the 2nd highest usage rate on the team. But he ranks at 11th in terms of ORtg, 9th in DRtg, 10th in PER, all his box +/- is negative, and he's tied for last in value over replacement player. 12th in win shares.

He has to play better.

[ojandpizza]

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I think Boston's problem is, 1.) Hayward hasn't been great and they have a bit of redundancy in that spot. 2.) Tatum playing so well in the playoffs might have not ended up being great for him, he takes too many unnecessary shots. 3.) Rozier doesn't seem to be bringing them the same effort he did as a starter, he doesn't seem to be "happy" for lack of a better word.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Boston swing a trade this season. Especially if Kyrie makes it known that he is staying put. Swing Rozier and a couple of guys for maybe 1 player that's slightly better than them all. Narrow that rotation down a bit.

[3304Life]

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It’s just a really abnormal lack of self awareness on Kyrie’s part. He is THE vet on that team. He’s not the most experienced in terms of years in the league but he’s in year 8 and has three Finals appearances to his name, which is three more than anybody else on that roster. He can’t pass the buck on this one say getting to those Finals was all LeBron and he doesn’t know how to lead a team.

Horford, too. Doesn’t he have 3 conference finals appearances? He knows what it takes to get through the regular season and play a long post season.

It’s a really strange statement.


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[cima]

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It’s just a really abnormal lack of self awareness on Kyrie’s part. He is THE vet on that team. He’s not the most experienced in terms of years in the league but he’s in year 8 and has three Finals appearances to his name, which is three more than anybody else on that roster. He can’t pass the buck on this one say getting to those Finals was all LeBron and he doesn’t know how to lead a team.

Horford, too. Doesn’t he have 3 conference finals appearances? He knows what it takes to get through the regular season and play a long post season.

It’s a really strange statement.


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Kyrie just showed again why he's not a good leader. I tried to tell you all that a good leader wouldn't miss Game 7 of the ECF for an elective surgery but *insert Kermit sipping tea meme*.

[King_B_Mack]

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Kyrie just showed again why he's not a good leader. I tried to tell you all that a good leader wouldn't miss Game 7 of the ECF for an elective surgery but *insert Kermit sipping tea meme*.

But you didn't try to tell us nothing about good leaders not missing free throws in late game situations and missing defense from their arsenal though huh?

[cima]

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But you didn't try to tell us nothing about good leaders not missing free throws in late game situations and missing defense from their arsenal though huh?

Yeah LeBron sucks at FTs but what's that gotta do with Kyrie on Boston?

Nothing.

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[3304Life]

Re: 11/6 - 11/12 Games Discussion Thread

Because we all know you never had no beef with Kyrie until he dared to wanna play with someone other than Bron dude


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[ojandpizza]

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I don't think this or the "game 7 situation" does anything to reflect on Kyrie being a good or bad leader. I also don't think he's ever really done anything to show that he's some great leader, but I definitely don't see any real issue with what he's saying.

I do think Kyrie needs to realize that what he's asking for is the type of player that he should be. Maybe he's just talking about that mentor locker room type like he had with James Jones or Richard Jefferson, but he and Al should be able to give them what he's talking about. But like most situations where any player speaks on the roster this will probably get blown up into something it's not.

[3304Life]

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The only game 7 that matters when it comes to Kyrie is the one where he scored a step back 3 to win a title for the team that drafted him.

[dubcity]

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I thought Kyrie's comments were pretty simple. Not sure why people are going off on them. He's not saying they need another big name contributor, or anything resembling the "help" that people are implying he means.

He just said that they could use an older vet presence on the team. Someone to remind them that a regular season game in Nov isn't game 7 of the Finals.

[cima]

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Because we all know you never had no beef with Kyrie until he dared to wanna play with someone other than Bron dude


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Nah if you dug into my post history, I actually gave him props for wanting to go out on his own because no one was wanting to do that anymore.

But then he starting becoming too flat-earthy and too woke for my liking. Had nothing to do with his relationship with LeBron. Then, like any fan base, too many Boston fans getting obnoxious and over-hyping him. Reading posts non-stop during last year's ECF how Celtics would've "swept" or "won easily" had Kyrie been playing but many of these same people were dismissing Kyrie/Love's injuries in '15 when I tried the same argument that CLE would've beat GS was getting old.

And on the subject of leadership, I'm very well-versed on it between the self-education I've done the last 18 months between not only leadership training seminars and 4-5 books on the subject, but through practical experience being a small business owner and having 8 employees on my team. Any credible leadership book, seminar, or whatever will all say the same thing, leadership starts at the top and the best leaders are those who lead by example and walk their talk. When Kyrie made his request and wanted out of LeBron's shadow, he was publicly declaring he wanted to be the man. Well to be the man, you gotta be the leader, and he has shown multiple times that he has not yet learned how to be the leader that Boston needs and choosing not to be at Game 7 is a bad mark on his leadership resume.

You may not agree with my opinion on the subject of his leadership and that's fine. My argument though is sound and backed by proven leadership principles that he has failed to display on multiple occasions now. The good news for Kyrie and Boston is he is still young, growing, and maturing. It's not too late and he may become the leader they need some day; but he's not there yet.