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A few posts ago they were a trash organization and here you talk about what a fun team/highest rated offensive team of all time. You don’t quit..I’ll give you that.
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I'm from Cincinnati and live in Phoenix...Bengals fan since '94 and Suns fan since '02...trust me, I know firsthand what trash organizations look like.Comment
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The nerve to try sharing in the joy of winning with lifelong fans of a team while LBJ is there, only to turn around and trash them after he leaves.
One of many examples of why some of us hold animosity towards those on the LBJ bandwagon.
And you wonder why 3304Life feels the way he does. Y’all sucked all the fun out of being a fan.
Or as Suns fans? We still cherish the 7SOL era and are bitter as all hell about '05 and '07 especially. We should've been the ones to hand LeBron his first Finals L (would've had really mixed feelings about that though). We got 3 WCF appearances from that era with nothing to show for it. '05 was a tossup anyway, not sure we would've beat SA if Joe Johnson didn't get injured...but everyone knew we were better in 07. Yet look at us...all I have from that is "what if" scenarios. At least your team actually got there 5 times!
So forgive me for not empathizing with a fan that only sees "4 losses in 5 Finals appearances". LeBron spoiled you if that's the mentality you've got.
If it wasn't for LeBron, I wouldn't have a damn clue to how good winning feels and what I felt in 2016 was real.Last edited by cima; 02-26-2019, 08:44 PM.Comment
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To be fair, some of these are taken a bit out of context anyways and people run with them to make their “see LeBron does this” like we see every year.
This last game for example he was asked if the playoff pressure was distracting them. He answered it by basically saying that if that’s a distraction for you then you are playing for the wrong franchise..
I don’t think that was throwing any of his teammates under the bus, or being hypocritical. If anything, I think he’s almost mocking the reporters for asking a question on if wanting to make the playoffs is a distraction.
He also said to close that they have to stay positive and that it starts with him.. which of course in conveniently left out entirely from the “he’s throwing teammates under the bus” after every time he answers a question crowd..
At the end of the day, players answer questions like these all the time.. people don’t rush in with their anti-whoever said it article every single time it happens.. it’s a LeBron thing, like it generally is, and will be greatly over-exaggerated, and selectively “quoted” from now until the season ends I’m sure.
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Ya'll pick and choose when to apply "context" to a player's comments. Most of the time, it depends on who the player is.#RespectTheCultureComment
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Per usual the capes come swinging for this guy 🤦🏽*♂️
Let's not pretend with as intelligent as he is that he doesn't know every word he says will be picked apart. He could of simply said "tough loss tonight", "we got to bring it all game long, "as the leader of this team I have to lead better for a full 48" instead of this passive aggressive bs he been on, surprised none of his Arthur mood post haven't occured yet.
Hard for you Bron guys to be objective, had this been my guy Bean bigging his self accomplishments up and throwing guys under the bus after L's y'all would be singing a whole different songLast edited by cam21224; 02-27-2019, 12:38 AM.Horseshoes & HollyWoodComment
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I mean to be fair, I don't think LeBron has been criticized this hard since 2011. He deserves a lot of it but definitely not all the noise that's going on. Everyone is defensive of their guys. Delusional Kobe stans who don't like LeBron looking to pin all blame on him. Bron fans blaming the FO and coaches. Some Lakers fans wishing they just had their young core. It's definitely the most unique and divisive fan base I've experienced.
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I rarely speak on anything any player says off the court because I’m not really interested in that to begin with. I rarely comment on anything that’s said in any interviews.
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They are a trash organization. They lucked into LeBron and Kyrie and then lucked into LeBron again because he's from NE Ohio. Doesn't mean the team wasn't fun to watch when he was there, but Cleveland also broke the team apart when they traded Kyrie for peanuts when they didn't have to trade him at all. They haven't done a damn thing in the 21st century without LeBron though. All those #1 picks early this decade and what would they have to show for it? LeBron literally saved them by coming back thus maneuvering to get Kevin Love. The alternative was a Kyrie-led squad flanked by Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett...that would've been fun to watch instead of Finals appearances, no?
I'm from Cincinnati and live in Phoenix...Bengals fan since '94 and Suns fan since '02...trust me, I know firsthand what trash organizations look like.
Sure, Dan Gilbert is a ****head, I don't think any would disagree. However, LeBron James has been the Harbinger of Chaos since 2010, with everything he touches becoming a soap opera level drama. The biggest problem with him going to the Lakers is that he didn't have Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving or Kevin Love to make up for the fact that LeBron is a megadiva who ruins team chemistry.
Furthermore, his career being anything more than a novelty act is over. He went to LA because he thought he might be able to convince some guys to come there but ultimately it was the movies and tv production. After this season, how he's treated the guys he and Magic personally recruited, who the **** would want to play with him? He's throwing people under the bus left and right, he hates the coach, and he's doing his yearly sulk of hating every one and everything about the team he plays for at the moment.
LeBron putting his trust in that snake Magic and thinking this was all going to work out was the dumbest thing he's ever done. But he wanted to make movies and do his TV Production, so good for him. He's got to maintain relevance in the summer somehow, since the only way he's going to the playoffs is if he's a guest host on TNT or ESPN. He's finally seeing how horrible of a teammate and presence he is, and with father time catching up to his game, he's stuck in purgatory for the twilight of his career with a city that will not care about him and a fan base that will never love him the way they love Kobe.
Truthfully, this was the only way for his career to end since he's been stiff arming his way through organizations for his entire career. Whether it was him literally running the Cavs in his 1.0 run, trying to ruin the Heat when he first got there in 2010, his pouting and pissing and moaning during 2014-18, he's finally getting his karma for being the biggest basketball diva of all time. One day, he's going to get his own NBA franchise too, and that will be another massive failure, just like Jordan. Because he knows how to be great at basketball, but he doesn't have a clue what a good teammate or a well run organization can ever be.
Thank God for 2016. And he should be thanking God that Kyrie Irving was there to help him.Too Old To Game Club
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2/21 - 2/26 Games Discussion Thread
Only posting this once and don’t really care what anyone’s take on it is, but just coming to my own defense here.. I feel like I get lumped into something I’m not. And maybe it does come off that way at times.. but I always see these “make excuses” posts “point blame” posts.. and maybe those have nothing to do with me, or anyone on OS, but when I bring up things said outside of OS I get basically told I’m an idiot for listening to those sources so I’m going to assume it’s a bit about me even if it’s indirect..
I have never “made excuses” or pointed blame in any direction. There aren’t “excuses” in basketball. One team plays better than another team for four games and that’s all. There is no magic excuses, or some bizarre narrative based reasoning. It’s basketball, simple it’s a game..
This whole idea that I come in playing some blame game, excuse game, is false.. it’s the people saying it that are doing that, I just point to why I’m in disagreement. It’s those who come in “oh LeBron lost again he can’t be this or that”, “3-6”, “looks like he needs help”, how do y’all thing dumb **** that like won’t get a response? Lol.. and don’t pretend like I only say it about LeBron, I’ve typed out essays on here about Enes ****ing Kanter, doesn’t matter to me who it is.
Sure, I’ll quickly point out when LeBron plays great and others play poorly, but it’s not an excuse, it’s not a blame game, it’s in response to someone who is playing the blame game, and what I say about the situation isn’t anything more then facts of what have happened, the same facts that rather one of you wants to put much stock into then or not I use when I talk about any other player in any other circumstance on here..
It’s literally to the point when I’m not even allowed to point out when a player plays like ****.. well I can, but not if he’s LeBron’s teammate.. Before last years Pacers/Cavs series started I had made numerous comments on why I thought they were a horrible matchup for the Cavs. I said they might be the worst matchup for them in the East (turns out they were btw).. I know for a fact Pack and I talked about that before the series started.. and it was a tough one, Cavs barely one, shouldn’t have won really, LeBron played great but as a whole it was a really tough series for them. But god forbid I mention any of their struggles without it being “excuses”, and me “blaming Kevin Love”, blaming whoever.. guarantee if I make the same exact comments this post season regarding Jokic I won’t have 10+ following comments mad claiming I’m blaming Murray.. but sure, OJ is the one with the double standard. And I’ll be sure to point that out this postseason too btw.
Some of you like to make all these narratives, and then get mad at me for commenting on what happened on the floor. Somehow I should be placing some sort of “blame” on the person who was the best player on the floor for either team.. when I’m not placing any blame on anyone.. I point out the Love’s man had 27 points and he shot 2/12, “oh there you go OJ it’s gotta be Love’s fault, defending LeBron”.. I’m not defending anyone, you win, you lose, it’s basketball. I’m just not going to belittle a player for playing great, I’m not the one making narratives in that picture. I’m the one responding to the narratives with what happened on the floor.
And I guarantee a lot of where that’s coming from wouldn’t dare let you say that if Jordan was a little better the Wizards might have made the playoffs. They’d jump in and tell you how great he was for his age, coming out of retirement, he scored 50 that night, etc.. they’ll gladly recognize that it just wasn’t a good enough team.. but they don’t want that about LeBron. Doesn’t matter how he plays, how his teammates play, who they play.. it can’t be that simple (like it is for every other team and every other player) you can’t say he was the best player on the floor and they lost and so-and-so was awful.. it’s an un-allowed trigger. That always somehow is spun into me having the double standard when I’ll say the exact same about the last player on the bench not getting enough minutes because he’s good with the minutes he does get.
And I’ve posted the same **** here for Bron, Harden, Westbrook, Kawhi, Enes ****ing Kanter, all of them. Plenty about past players, past teams, all time threads. Essays worth of ****. All based on the same logic, the same numbers, the same reasoning, the same sources.. it’s not MY fault that one of those names is a trigger name for half of OS...
Tell me why I can post a stat about one player and the only response is a couple “likes” or a yeah he’s playing good or I like him.. but I post it about LeBron and it’s “we get it he’s good at basketball” or “look another useless stat that doesn’t mean anything”.. tell me why that is and then explain how I’m the double standard there?
I don’t have any damn ties to the Cavs, the Heat, the Lakers, Ohio, to LeBron other than I happen to think he’s really ****ing good at basketball.. and if y’all haven’t noticed I’m a little long winded and I like talking about people who are really ****ing good at basketball.
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Per usual the capes come swinging for this guy [emoji1748]*[emoji3603]
Let's not pretend with as intelligent as he is that he doesn't know every word he says will be picked apart. He could of simply said "tough loss tonight", "we got to bring it all game long, "as the leader of this team I have to lead better for a full 48" instead of this passive aggressive bs he been on, surprised none of his Arthur mood post haven't occured yet.
Hard for you Bron guys to be objective, had this bean my guy Bean bigging his self accomplishments up and throwing guys under the bus after L's y'all would be singing a whole different song
That’s not the point though. Every player could always say “tough loss tonight”.. nobody is even saying that Bron should just do that exact thing.. the difference is where are some of y’all saying all this the opposite way when it’s someone besides LeBron? Other than cima saying Kyrie is a bad leader, when does something like this ever get brought up about anyone else period?
And then I point out that it’s a big deal made out about something that wasn’t that serious and I’m at fault. 24 can say virtually the same thing after an over exaggeration to a LeBron “quote” and nobody bats an eye. I say it and “here you come swinging for Bron”..
In reality I don’t give a **** what LeBron or anyone else says in an interview.. that’s why you don’t see me commenting on player interviews. But when someone comes in and pulls pieces of a quote from some C level written article online that makes it out like he’s threw anyone and everyone under the bus and being some huge hypocrite, and make it into some huge ordeal it’s a problem that I comment on it.. when have I made any claim about any player throwing teammates under the bus? Or over analyzed something like this for another player? But I’m the one with the double standard who is somehow caping for Bron.
It’s like their is a bat signal that anytime “LeBron” pops up after the name OJ it must just be some biased BS...
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You posted all that just to sit up here and lie about people just blaming LeBron only for something here at OS as the reason you post the way you do? Get out of here with that OJ. You know damn well there are times where a LeBron game is going on and you're in here calling out every little thing everybody on the team on the team is doing wrong and either quickly glossing over or flat out ignoring everything LeBron is doing wrong or piss poorly that's helping lead to whatever losing or struggles they're experiencing in that game.
As for Jordan, who the hell would even give a damn about the Wizards making the playoffs? If Jordan were a little better? He was ****ing 40 years old and clearly a shell of his former self despite how good he was playing for his age. There's gotta be a better scenario for you to point out a Jordan bias than trotting out the old broken down, washed Jordan from Washington for not making the playoffs.
I could really go in on this post, but I really do like you OJ despite us never ever being able to agree on this topic, so I'm just gonna leave it alone here. I've said my piece.Comment
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That’s not the point though. Every player could always say “tough loss tonight”.. nobody is even saying that Bron should just do that exact thing.. the difference is where are some of y’all saying all this the opposite way when it’s someone besides LeBron? Other than cima saying Kyrie is a bad leader, when does something like this ever get brought up about anyone else period?
And then I point out that it’s a big deal made out about something that wasn’t that serious and I’m at fault. 24 can say virtually the same thing after an over exaggeration to a LeBron “quote” and nobody bats an eye. I say it and “here you come swinging for Bron”..
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I'm not even touching that cima leader part of the equation don't want another essay of "leadership" when the weeks prior to him saying he called Bron it was he's a bad leader but soon as he drops that news it's he's becoming a better leader (nothing against you or cima) but it seems to be a bat signal for y'all anytime this guys name is brought up. Just like I felt as a Kobe stan you ain't changing either side's mine and don't have to defend every post made against Bron even when it's truth in the post just blinded by fandom of the player that's all.
Yeah Kobe stans we're just as bad but when that man was wrong I had the same energy for him as well. LeBron is the leader and best player on this team & needs to start acting like it. Luke Waltons rotations, etc etc whatever excuse for this guy giving half *** effort on the defensive end ain't going to flyHorseshoes & HollyWoodComment
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The whole Jordan Wizard’s thing was only brought up because of a previous Jordan Wizards discussion on here.. I wasn’t really trying to make it out quite the way it sounded to paint a Jordan bias. But I’ve spoke my piece on the rest of it, don’t have much else to say.
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If any other player was doing what Bron was doing after losses I would be saying the same thing, y'all just keep that same energy when it's your boy given half effort.
I'm not even touching that cima leader part of the equation don't want another essay of "leadership" when the weeks prior to him saying he called Bron it was he's a bad leader but soon as he drops that news it's he's becoming a better leader (nothing against you or cima) but it seems to be a bat signal for y'all anytime this guys name is brought up. Just like I felt as a Kobe stan you ain't changing either side's mine and don't have to defend every post made against Bron even when it's truth in the post just blinded by fandom of the player that's all.
Yeah Kobe stans we're just as bad but when that man was wrong I had the same energy for him as well. LeBron is the leader and best player on this team & needs to start acting like it. Luke Waltons rotations, etc etc whatever excuse for this guy giving half *** effort on the defensive end ain't going to fly
I gotta say, Cam was definitely not for Kobe's nonsense.Comment
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