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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #976
    Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by ojandpizza
    The whole Tatum looking like a superstar thing is now comprised of about 2 months worth of good play in 2 seasons.. months where injuries gave him a larger opportunity.

    I wonder what his trade value even looks like right now. I originally thought no way they trade this guy for anyone much older than him.. and now it’s more like no way I would trade a legit all star for someone as shaky as Tatum.


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    Depending on the team, you would.

    What qualifies as a “legit all star” though? Because if they were to call you and ask for a Russell-Tatum swap, are you saying no to that?
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    • BleacherBum2310
      All Star
      • Aug 2010
      • 7107

      #977
      Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by jeebs9
      So you still think Tatum and Brown are a player you can build around?

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      2/3 types absolutely. Not a star of team but that list is like 6-10 players so that would be outrageous to think of any 2/3 year guys.
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      • ojandpizza
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2011
        • 29807

        #978
        Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
        Depending on the team, you would.

        What qualifies as a “legit all star” though? Because if they were to call you and ask for a Russell-Tatum swap, are you saying no to that?


        I would consider a “legit All-Star” a player who can consistently play at that level.. hard to know or predict how much more improving Russell is going to do, or if what he did this season is indeed sustainable.. it seems to be, because this is what most thought he would be out the gate.

        Honestly watching this year alone, Russell to me looks like he has more impact on the team’s success.. and maybe it’s playing alongside Kyrie, but Tatum didn’t offer much in my eyes outside scoring potential. Russell handles the ball, makes good passes, plays either guard spot, and gets buckets like Tatum does..

        For the Nets specifically, maybe. They need a small forward so team need plays a role. And maybe they are un-sure on if maxing Russell is the right move. But honestly if LeVert is your 3 and not playing at SG, he started off this season playing every bit as well as Tatum also.


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        • roadman
          *ll St*r
          • Aug 2003
          • 26339

          #979
          Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

          Savoring this one, it's been 18 long years.

          Good luck to the Celtics moving forward.

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          • ehh
            Hall Of Fame
            • Mar 2003
            • 28962

            #980
            Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by ojandpizza
            The whole Tatum looking like a superstar thing is now comprised of about 2 months worth of good play in 2 seasons.. months where injuries gave him a larger opportunity.

            I wonder what his trade value even looks like right now. I originally thought no way they trade this guy for anyone much older than him.. and now it’s more like no way I would trade a legit all star for someone as shaky as Tatum.
            You could argue it was just the Philly series last year that had people going crazy. He was whatever vs MIL in the opening round, and good but nothing great vs CLE in the ECF. He did his thing against Philly and Cleveland, two teams who had no one to match up with him. Hell, Philly started the ECSF with Redick on him.

            Plus, as I said all along, it's not like Boston was running their offense through him. He was one piece of a well-balanced offense and had some tasty matchups that he did well against. He was basically a by-product of a great team run by Boston last year. Bill Simmons was out here saying he might be the next KD.

            He's looking like the exact prospect people expected out of Duke. He's a scorer who doesn't make others better. Doesn't rebound well, he's a poor defender. He really might be the Melo of this generation. Even scarier is that he might be a poor man's Melo. Unless he has some pretty substantial development/expansion of his game, I'm not really sure where he's going to fit into the modern NBA. I don't think he's ever going to be the kind of scorer that Melo was (I won't even insult KD by putting his name in here). If you aren't an elite scorer but also aren't a good passer/make your teammates better, defender, or rebounder then....?

            I have no idea what his trade value is right now but any team (the Pels) are going to be able to use this season and the playoffs as ammunition to try to drive down his value. I've mentioned this before but if I'm Boston (and Kyrie leaves) I don't bother going after AD. It doesn't fit with your timeline and it's probably going to cost you Tatum/Brown/picks, plus the East is getting better. AD and a blah supporting cast: what's the point?
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            • CaVsFaN2273
              MVP
              • Jul 2018
              • 1052

              #981
              Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

              Last edited by CaVsFaN2273; 05-08-2019, 09:58 PM.

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              • ehh
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2003
                • 28962

                #982
                Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                Because if they were to call you and ask for a Russell-Tatum swap, are you saying no to that?
                I say no, and I'm not that high on DLo either. Like OJ said, Russell just gives your team more.
                Last edited by ehh; 05-08-2019, 09:58 PM.
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                • ojandpizza
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 29807

                  #983
                  Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by ehh
                  You could argue it was just the Philly series last year that had people going crazy. He was whatever vs MIL in the opening round, and good but nothing great vs CLE in the ECF. He did his thing against Philly and Cleveland, two teams who had no one to match up with him. Hell, Philly started the ECSF with Redick on him.



                  Plus, as I said all along, it's not like Boston was running their offense through him. He was one piece of a well-balanced offense and had some tasty matchups that he did well against. He was basically a by-product of a great team run by Boston last year. Bill Simmons was out here saying he might be the next KD.



                  He's looking like the exact prospect people expected out of Duke. He's a scorer who doesn't make others better. Doesn't rebound well, he's a poor defender. He really might be the Melo of this generation. Even scarier is that he might be a poor man's Melo. Unless he has some pretty substantial development/expansion of his game, I'm not really sure where he's going to fit into the modern NBA. I don't think he's ever going to be the kind of scorer that Melo was (I won't even insult KD by putting his name in here). If you aren't an elite scorer but also aren't a good passer/make your teammates better, defender, or rebounder then....?



                  I have no idea what his trade value is right now but any team (the Pels) are going to be able to use this season and the playoffs as ammunition to try to drive down his value. I've mentioned this before but if I'm Boston (and Kyrie leaves) I don't bother going after AD. It doesn't fit with your timeline and it's probably going to cost you Tatum/Brown/picks, plus the East is getting better. AD and a blah supporting cast: what's the point?


                  I think he did a bit more than just play well against favorable matchups.. he started the season off shooting insane, obviously wasn’t sustainable shooting like a top 5 shooter in the league, but just the smooth transition for him to this league was significant to me. Then in the playoffs, more than just his play, but just taking on that moment and not shying away from it. And playing well while doing it.

                  But still I agree with most of your other points. And if Kyrie is indeed out, Boston’s best bet might just be drafting with those picks or trading them to move up for picks because with no Kyrie, no reason to ditch legit assets for mediocrity, building with their youth might be the best move.. and fit their coach better as well.


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                  • jeebs9
                    Fear is the Unknown
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 47568

                    #984
                    Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by CaVsFaN2273
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                    • YuNgWuN
                      Pro
                      • May 2003
                      • 684

                      #985
                      Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

                      He seems to shy away from contact that plus takes bad shots quite often I dont know. He obviously is a good shooter so that definitely helps just needs to not play so soft.

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                      • ojandpizza
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 29807

                        #986
                        Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

                        And I’m not trying to make some big hot take claim solely based on this series.. this was a season long thing, where I legit questioned when all the trade rumors were flying around if he was even outplaying Kuz by much if at all this year..

                        I was patient because I thought when the playoffs slowed things down and Boston needed his iso scoring that he would show us some things again.. just didn’t really happen. And now I feel torn.

                        Shot selection looks worse, shot percentage is down, outside shooting way down, free throw shooting down, didn’t really grow anywhere else, hasn’t shown to be able to play off ball with a player like Kyrie who is what you need to win.. I felt like a month into the season had you not known he liked Kobe, trained with Kobe, etc you could have made that guess all on your own just by watching his approach.


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                        • BleacherBum2310
                          All Star
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 7107

                          #987
                          Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by ehh
                          You could argue it was just the Philly series last year that had people going crazy. He was whatever vs MIL in the opening round, and good but nothing great vs CLE in the ECF. He did his thing against Philly and Cleveland, two teams who had no one to match up with him. Hell, Philly started the ECSF with Redick on him.

                          Plus, as I said all along, it's not like Boston was running their offense through him. He was one piece of a well-balanced offense and had some tasty matchups that he did well against. He was basically a by-product of a great team run by Boston last year. Bill Simmons was out here saying he might be the next KD.

                          He's looking like the exact prospect people expected out of Duke. He's a scorer who doesn't make others better. Doesn't rebound well, he's a poor defender. He really might be the Melo of this generation. Even scarier is that he might be a poor man's Melo. Unless he has some pretty substantial development/expansion of his game, I'm not really sure where he's going to fit into the modern NBA. I don't think he's ever going to be the kind of scorer that Melo was (I won't even insult KD by putting his name in here). If you aren't an elite scorer but also aren't a good passer/make your teammates better, defender, or rebounder then....?

                          I have no idea what his trade value is right now but any team (the Pels) are going to be able to use this season and the playoffs as ammunition to try to drive down his value. I've mentioned this before but if I'm Boston (and Kyrie leaves) I don't bother going after AD. It doesn't fit with your timeline and it's probably going to cost you Tatum/Brown/picks, plus the East is getting better. AD and a blah supporting cast: what's the point?
                          That's the one thing I will very much disagree with. I think he's a v good defender. I also think he's got some playmaking in him he's just rarely asked to do that. He's gotta cut the Iso stuff out though.

                          Agree though on if Kyrie Leaves just go with the young guys it's not worth it. But they gotta commit to one timeline.
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                          • Majingir
                            Moderator
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 47582

                            #988
                            Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                            All those draft picks...oh excuse me, “assets”, that they were gifted for the last 5-6 years(some because of us)and all they’ll have show for it is a ECF runner up banner.

                            That is....wow
                            Is it ECF runner up? Wouldn't that go to the team that lost the ECF?

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                            • TheFinalEvent97
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2016
                              • 1519

                              #989
                              Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

                              My Kyrie stays in Boston prediction in the Offseason thread isn't looking great now...😂

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                              • areobee401
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 16771

                                #990
                                Re: 2019 Eastern Conference Playoffs - 2nd Round Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by roadman
                                Savoring this one, it's been 18 long years.

                                Good luck to the Celtics moving forward.

                                Good luck to you guys, man.

                                Truth be told, the series was more about the Bucks being really good, than the dysfunctional mess the Celtics are.

                                Sorry the thread turned all about them and less about how impressive a series your team had.
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