2019 Offseason Thread

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

If I understand it correctly, there's two criteria to be eligible for the full MLE.

1. You can't go under the cap to sign free agents.
2. You can't go over the luxury tax apron ($138 million, not to be confused with the luxury tax at $132 million).

The Lakers would meet the 2nd requirement but not the 1st (again, if I understand it correctly). So unless I'm misunderstanding it, which is certainly possible, the Lakers will have the $4.7 million room option at their disposal rather than the $9+ million MLE.

I was understanding it the same, but most of the credible cap related articles were also saying that if they just ran back he current roster they would get the full MLE, because with their cap holds they are technically over the cap. I guess they can't renounce those cap holds and use the same money to replace them and still get the MLE? Doesn't make sense really because you can hold those players cap holds all the way through free agency, that's where I was confused..

Not sure if it applies still after after losing Muscala, Bullock, and Wagner & co.. But if the Lakers miss on Kawhi it might be better off for them to have retain everyone else to stay over the cap, and the have the full MLE + bi annual.. Meaning they could have kept Rondo, JaVale, KCP, Bullock, Lance, Tyson, and so on and then added guys like Seth Curry, Nerlens Noel, Danny Green, or a trio of similar players...

Like I said, no cap expert, but that may still be in play with KCP, Rondo, JaVale, Tyson, Lance, having not signed anywhere else either.. Actually just checked spotrac now, with the guys still on cap including the cap holds they still have, they are 9 mil over the cap.. Meaning if no Kawhi I'm assuming they bring all of those guys back, possibly on 1 year deals again, and use the full MLE on another good or two solid players..

With most of the more attractive pieces gone the above plan would likely be better than trying to spend 30 mil on 3-4 guys and filling the other spots with minimum deals. Keep what you have, and possibly sign some of the same guys you wanted anyways..

This would put them out of contention for a max player next season, but possibly get a near max guy in the 20's mil range.. Or move Kuz + a couple of those contracts on a max guy in season.. Say for example Washington decides to move on from Beal.

[georgiafan]

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Even though I am hard on our front office the best thing Atlanta has done this offseason is not too hand out any long-term bad contracts. The FA market has just about dried up already and we still sit with 14 million in cap space which is what I want to see. It stinks that next years class is bad, however I will still take the 80 million in cap space going into the summer. I was wanting Favors however as long as we don't spend the last $ we have on a longterm deal I'll take it.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I was understanding it the same, but most of the credible cap related articles were also saying that if they just ran back he current roster they would get the full MLE, because with their cap holds they are technically over the cap. I guess they can't renounce those cap holds and use the same money to replace them and still get the MLE? Doesn't make sense really because you can hold those players cap holds all the way through free agency, that's where I was confused..

Not sure if it applies still after after losing Muscala, Bullock, and Wagner & co.. But if the Lakers miss on Kawhi it might be better off for them to have retain everyone else to stay over the cap, and the have the full MLE + bi annual.. Meaning they could have kept Rondo, JaVale, KCP, Bullock, Lance, Tyson, and so on and then added guys like Seth Curry, Nerlens Noel, Danny Green, or a trio of similar players...

Like I said, no cap expert, but that may still be in play with KCP, Rondo, JaVale, Tyson, Lance, having not signed anywhere else either.. Actually just checked spotrac now, with the guys still on cap including the cap holds they still have, they are 9 mil over the cap.. Meaning if no Kawhi I'm assuming they bring all of those guys back, possibly on 1 year deals again, and use the full MLE on another good or two solid players..

With most of the more attractive pieces gone the above plan would likely be better than trying to spend 30 mil on 3-4 guys and filling the other spots with minimum deals. Keep what you have, and possibly sign some of the same guys you wanted anyways..

This would put them out of contention for a max player next season, but possibly get a near max guy in the 20's mil range.. Or move Kuz + a couple of those contracts on a max guy in season.. Say for example Washington decides to move on from Beal.

As you mentioned, they're currently above the cap, so they're eligible for the full MLE at the moment. They can't sign Kawhi without renouncing the cap holds, going under the cap, and losing the MLE in the process.

[z Revis]

2019 Offseason Thread

I feel like free agency ended in 5 minutes. That was crazy, I couldn’t keep up with all the moves. Still got the Kawhi decision to come though.


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[The 24th Letter]

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If Kawhi doesnt go to the Lakers, this will be the most fun the NBA has looked in decades, maybe ever. No clear front runner, but a ton of good teams that all could win a title.

Completely agree. That would be amazing.

Sounds like what a lot of people were saying about the Dubs squad these past couple of seasons. It'll be interesting to see if the view on that has changed on either side with the possibility of a Bron/Lakers squad being in that position.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Dub's cap space situation after the S&T

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2843663-latest-on-warriors-cap-space-after-dangelo-russell-andre-iguodala-trades

As*Nate Duncan*noted, Golden State will effectively have $18.2 million to fill nine roster spots.*Stephen Curry, Draymond Green, Thompson and Russell will take on most of the cap, while first-round pick Jordan Poole will also have a guarantee.

Damian Jones and Jacob Evans are also still under contract, but Duncan expects them to be dealt. Even without those contracts, the owed money will make it difficult to re-sign*DeMarcus Cousins*or even valuable role players like Kevon Looney, Quinn Cook and Jordan Bell.
The Warriors do have some cheap options, including second-round picks Alen Smailagic and Eric Paschall. Treveon Graham and Shabazz Napier are also reportedly coming over in the Brooklyn trade, per*Shams Charania*of Stadium and The Athletic, although they have non-guaranteed deals.

Still, it won't be easy to replace veterans like Iguodala and Livingston, who have been key contributors during the team's three championships and five NBA Finals appearances.

Even with four All-Stars on the roster, depth could be a major issue for the team in.

[roadman]

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Bucks now really have the Twin Towers, Rolo and Brolo.

This should be interesting.

League source confirms the @ChrisBHaynes report that the Bucks are signing Robin Lopez using their full Room exception ($4.8 million). It's a two-year deal with a player option in the second year.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

As you mentioned, they're currently above the cap, so they're eligible for the full MLE at the moment. They can't sign Kawhi without renouncing the cap holds, going under the cap, and losing the MLE in the process.

Yep, I gotcha.. Looks like it's Kawhi or a similar roster as last year plus a couple small upgrades, and AD instead of Zo/BI/Hart obviously..

[ehh]

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We have some seriously dense people in here. The Knicks have to spend $61m this summer. It wasn't going to be pretty. Every signing is (potentially) done by summer '21. Y'all think they were gonna give Cousins a 1/$61m deal and fill the rest of the roster with vet min guys?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Yep, I gotcha.. Looks like it's Kawhi or a similar roster as last year plus a couple small upgrades, and AD instead of Zo/BI/Hart obviously..

Yeah. I think the Lakers are going to be very good regardless. Kawhi would obviously be huge for them, but if not Kawhi, they'll have plenty of cap space to build a pretty good supporting cast around two guys that are at worst top 8 players.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Bucks now really have the Twin Towers, Rolo and Brolo.

This should be interesting.

League source confirms the @ChrisBHaynes report that the Bucks are signing Robin Lopez using their full Room exception ($4.8 million). It's a two-year deal with a player option in the second year.

I love them on the same team.

I think Robin is really underrated as a modern day hard hat center..

I know you guys are 5 out heavy though, you think hell stay in rotation?

[jeremym480]

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Heard interest from Knicks or Celtics. Also strong rumbling that he is willing to take less to go to the Lakers.

It wouldn't surprise me to see him sign with the Lakers. I don't know what exceptions they have but it wouldn't surprise me to see him sign there after Kawhi. If Kawhi doesn't go to the Lakers then I think the Lakers are still favorites but I think he would get a little more money.

Got you i had heard he might be open to staying with gs but not much out side of that. Celtics would be interesting after lossing Al.

I've seen conflicting reports about the Celtics have the MLE ($9.2M) or just the Room Exception ($4.7M). If they have the MLE then maybe Cousins will be in play. However, it been said in the past (when the Pelicans traded for him) that Brad didn't want Boogie. Personally, I'd love to have him but I'm not sure how realistic it is.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Is Portis any good @King? I only know him for beating the **** out of Mirotic

Portis is solid. He’s a player in the mold of Randle so I wasn’t really sure why the Knicks would sign them both since they’re both pretty redundant. He’s been working to add the three pointer to his arsenal and he can step out there an hit it but not consistently enough that you want him floating around out there.


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[roadman]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I love them on the same team.

I think Robin is really underrated as a modern day hard hat center..

I know you guys are 5 out heavy though, you think hell stay in rotation?

Yeah, I think we really needed a back up center and you are correct, he's a good hard hat center, set's picks and will rebound.

Now, if we make a trade for a shooting guard, we should be set.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Completely agree. That would be amazing.

Sounds like what a lot of people were saying about the Dubs squad these past couple of seasons. It'll be interesting to see if the view on that has changed on either side with the possibility of a Bron/Lakers squad being in that position.

I think it'll depend largely on what the guys outside of Kawhi look like if they go that route.. I don't see Danny Green taking the min, I think it's a long shot they can even get current guys like Rondo, KCP, JaVale to take the min. Ariza off the table.. Roster could be VERY thin.. Best they could have hoped for at this point was signing Kawhi and getting a point guard to take the cap-room MLE, but it's not Beverely and Collison retired, Corey Joseph out too. Maybe they use it to keep Rondo, but then they have no bench as well.

I think if it's a Kawhi signing they would contend, probably at worst a 3 seed likely 1-2? But idk that it would be domination in year one. Next year though they would be able to add a full MLE player, and even though the free agent class isn't strong there are lots of vets who might chase a ring. The next year or two after this they should be ring or bust for sure. IDK that year one they are landslide favorites though.