2019 Offseason Thread

**Yeah...THAT Guy** · 05-23-2019, 02:38 PM

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Originally posted by ehh

So Kemba is eligible for the supermax. He'd have to leave $80m on the table to leave CHA, assuming he's offered the supermax, per Bobby Marks.

Charlotte would be insane to offer it to him. I know they probably will because they are insane but they’re in a lose-lose situation here.

Related note: Giannis eligible for 5 years $247 million. Woo boy.

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**ProfessaPackMan** · 05-23-2019, 02:48 PM

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This is what fans of Small Market teams wanted. You got that financial advantage that other teams(mainly the big market clubs)wouldn’t have when they would come sniffing around your homegrown elite NBA talent.

**DieHardYankee26** · 05-23-2019, 02:53 PM

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Exactly, they tried to throw the small market teams screaming competitive advantage a bone and all it got them was the choice between having their star demand a trade a year early or the ability to cripple their team for 5 years. Beautiful.

**RedSceptile** · 05-23-2019, 02:58 PM

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The supermax is one of the most illogical and short sighted moves they've ever come up with. Not saying I blame players for taking them (they absolutely should) just what it does to your cap situation is laughable. Don't give your guy the supermax and he walks, give him the supermax and you hamstring your team, it's actually hilarious and the owners have no one to cry to but themselves.

**King_B_Mack** · 05-23-2019, 03:16 PM

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Is it really crippling their team though? You have to pay stars. Kemba is going to get paid by somebody, so you may as well pay him if you're Charlotte. What's your alternative? Who's coming there? You gonna stay on a treadmill of drafting players, developing them to the point that they can command such a salary and then letting them walk just to do it all over again? I think you do a lot more to cripple your franchise by not paying guys when it's their time as opposed to building goodwill with players around the league by showing you'll take care of the guys who've bled for your franchise and played their hearts out for you.

**Yeah...THAT Guy** · 05-23-2019, 03:19 PM

2019 Offseason Thread

Originally posted by King_B_Mack

Is it really crippling their team though? You have to pay stars. Kemba is going to get paid by somebody, so you may as well pay him if you're Charlotte. What's your alternative? Who's coming there? You gonna stay on a treadmill of drafting players, developing them to the point that they can command such a salary and then letting them walk just to do it all over again? I think you do a lot more to cripple your franchise by not paying guys when it's their time as opposed to building goodwill with players around the league by showing you'll take care of the guys who've bled for your franchise and played their hearts out for you.

Paying Kemba a supermax is absolutely crippling. Hell, Giannis is about to be named MVP and the Bucks should absolutely resign him, but that contract is basically going to make it impossible to build a contending team unless they can convince everyone else to take discounts or the owners are willing to pay an insane amount of luxury taxes. I’m thankful that we have one of the 5 or 6 players that you can argue the supermax actually makes sense for but I’d be pretty bummed if I were a team like Charlotte right now.

Having said that I would be pretty shocked if they don’t make another change to this in the CBA so it’s probably a short term issue.

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**DieHardYankee26** · 05-23-2019, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by King_B_Mack

Is it really crippling their team though? You have to pay stars. Kemba is going to get paid by somebody, so you may as well pay him if you're Charlotte. What's your alternative? Who's coming there? You gonna stay on a treadmill of drafting players, developing them to the point that they can command such a salary and then letting them walk just to do it all over again? I think you do a lot more to cripple your franchise by not paying guys when it's their time as opposed to building goodwill with players around the league by showing you'll take care of the guys who've bled for your franchise and played their hearts out for you.

They pretty much needed to trade him before it got to this point IMO, now they're trapped because letting him walk doesn't get them anything either. This is the same scenario I was running in my mind with Porzingis.

The overpaying part, not the supermax. I feel like the NBA system leaves so little room for error, you just can't make a mistake in your build. If you're paying a guy that much of your cap, he needs to make you a contender. Because that time has passed though, I saw a Hornets fan elsewhere say they'd rather lose with Kemba than lose without him and that's how I'd probably be too.

**ProfessaPackMan** · 05-23-2019, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by King_B_Mack

You gonna stay on a treadmill of drafting players, developing them to the point that they can command such a salary and then letting them walk just to do it all over again?

Been going on for years with some teams. Draft and develop a stud, give him a contract extension after his rookie deal runs out, they sign it and then by Year 7-8, they’re ready to leave.

Rinse and repeat.

I think you do a lot more to cripple your franchise by not paying guys when it's their time as opposed to building goodwill with players around the league by showing you'll take care of the guys who've bled for your franchise and played their hearts out for you.

In the short term possibly, but I don’t think there will be any lasting long term effects(and there hasn’t been so far) to those teams.

**King_B_Mack** · 05-23-2019, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

Been going on for years with some teams. Draft and develop a stud, give him a contract extension after his rookie deal runs out, they sign it and then by Year 7-8, they’re ready to leave.

Rinse and repeat.

Well yeah I know it has. I'm just saying it's insane to keep going through this same thing. Especially when small market teams got their lifeline. At this point, what's the point of small market teams? You don't have the supermax and guys are bolting on them. With the supermax guys are bolting and if they don't teams are "crippled." So what are they supposed to do to get off the treadmill?

In the short term possibly, but I don’t think there will be any lasting long term effects(and there hasn’t been so far) to those teams.

I don't know the Bulls are still fighting that ran Jordan out of town stigma. Cleveland will be fighting the "didn't get LeBron enough help" line forever. That stuff matters man.

**Majingir** · 05-23-2019, 04:37 PM

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What hurts franchises are using baidaids and duct tape to fix problems when it's better breaking it all down and starting from scratch. Your patch job might hold up for a few months or years, but long term you just need something new.

Having a plan from top to bottom is needed. GM having the OK from management to have a rebuild and not having to worry about job security for next few years, similar with the coach.

What the Hawks and Raptors proved this decade is that you can still make playoffs and have some success with a good team, but unless your team revolves around an MVP, you're not winning. In the NBA more than any other league, being in the middle is bad. In other sports, lower seeds still have shot to win. NBA that won't happen.

**JazzMan** · 05-23-2019, 04:39 PM

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Happy my man Rudy got third team All-NBA, but I'm hoping we don't get cornered into a supermax in two years. Him + a maxed Mitchell pretty much kills any chance of acquiring another high-level talent.

**DieHardYankee26** · 05-23-2019, 04:42 PM

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They need to draft well and get lucky, just like we needed to all these years and we didn't. They missed out on the AD lottery the year after they drafted Kemba, they picked MKG, Beal went 3. You can probably do this for every team. Either be really bad and load up on lottery picks like OKC or have a front office smart enough to find gems later on, they've done neither and now they're here.

23 · 05-23-2019, 04:59 PM

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Houston about to pay for giving Chirs Paul 45 million a year at his age

**NYJets** · 05-23-2019, 05:45 PM

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I think it was Simmons that I heard the suggestion recently maybe allow teams to offer the supermax but only have part of it count against the cap. Could be interesting

**RedSceptile** · 05-23-2019, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by NYJets

I think it was Simmons that I heard the suggestion recently maybe allow teams to offer the supermax but only have part of it count against the cap. Could be interesting

In the ideal scenario that's how it should work in my opinion. As it stands you're literally punished for giving a guy the supermax deserving or so. Instead sweeten the pot, if say instead of counting 30-35% against the cap, make it 20-25% if that player is resigning with his previous team. That way you can still be the home team and pay the big bucks while having more cap wiggle room. If a player wants to go somewhere else in free agency sure, but now his supermax still counts the full 35% or whatever. There's so many smart ways the NBA can go about doing things and it just is baffling why they make such short sighted decisions in my eyes

2019 Offseason Thread

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