2019 Offseason Thread

[OSUFan_88]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Well yeah I know it has. I'm just saying it's insane to keep going through this same thing. Especially when small market teams got their lifeline. At this point, what's the point of small market teams? You don't have the supermax and guys are bolting on them. With the supermax guys are bolting and if they don't teams are "crippled." So what are they supposed to do to get off the treadmill?




I don't know the Bulls are still fighting that ran Jordan out of town stigma. Cleveland will be fighting the "didn't get LeBron enough help" line forever. That stuff matters man.

I...assume you mean the first time? Because if KD doesn't join the Warriors, the Cavs repeat and maybe go for 3 in a row.

I think it was Simmons that I heard the suggestion recently maybe allow teams to offer the supermax but only have part of it count against the cap. Could be interesting

That...isn't a good idea,IMO. But then again, I think only a handful of players deserve the SuperMax. And I don't think that Kemba is one of those guys.

[jeebs9]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

The supermax is one of the most illogical and short sighted moves they've ever come up with. Not saying I blame players for taking them (they absolutely should) just what it does to your cap situation is laughable. Don't give your guy the supermax and he walks, give him the supermax and you hamstring your team, it's actually hilarious and the owners have no one to cry to but themselves.

Truth! The whole thing smells.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

What the Hawks and Raptors proved this decade is that you can still make playoffs and have some success with a good team, but unless your team revolves around an MVP, you're not winning. In the NBA more than any other league, being in the middle is bad. In other sports, lower seeds still have shot to win. NBA that won't happen.

I’m not seeing the Raptors-Hawks connection.

Am I missing something?

[Majingir]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I’m not seeing the Raptors-Hawks connection.

Am I missing something?

I meant in terms of the type of team you need to win. All stars are one thing, but you need superstars.

With only all stars, you'll have a ceiling.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

And speaking of Supermax

When it came into existence in the latest CBA, it was nicknamed the “Kevin Durant rule.”

Officially called the “designated veteran extension, the idea was to give teams leverage to keep their best home-grown players. To qualify, a player had to be in his 8th-10th NBA season (the end of the first extension of his rookie contract), still with the team that drafted him (or he was traded during his rookie contract), plus the player needs to have made been named MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, or have made the All-NBA team in the most recent season or two previous ones. If a player meets the criteria, they could get a “supermax” extension that gave them 35 percent of the salary cap to stay, plus a fifth year, rather than the 30 percent of the cap and four years that other teams can offer.

Except guys are not sticking around for that extra cash.

Anthony Davis is the latest in a line of guys who forced their way out (Paul George) or were traded (DeMarcus Cousins) rather than use that extension.

Players’ union Executive Director Michelle Roberts told Tim Bontemps of ESPN the supermax is working as intended, the problem is people thought it would be a panacea that would keep players in the same city for most of their careers.

“I mean, the players that are eligible, frankly, are players that are going to get paid, and they’re going to have any number of alternatives,” Michele Roberts, executive director of the National Basketball Players Association, told ESPN. “It hasn’t hurt them. It was something that they were able to secure and they were interested in getting it, and it was going to be a tremendous advantage in terms of just the amount of money.

“But I still don’t see a downside. The only downside is to the extent that people absolutely believed that it was a slam dunk way to keep their guys. And it just isn’t. And if they doubted it, they can now take a look at Anthony [Davis] and see, ‘Oh, wow, there is no way.'”

The league would say that the goal of this “supermax” was to either keep players with teams or at least let them know earlier in the process if a player wanted out, so they could trade him and get something back. In that sense, it is working with Davis.

Roberts is right, this has not been a panacea to players wanting to switch markets. Part of it she gets at a key issue: The money is so large for these players (Giannis Antetokounmpo’s extension could be $247 million) that the difference in taking it and not taking it is not enough to make up for being on a bad franchise or in a city they don’t like. These elite players have options and are using them.

Only four players have signed those deals — Stephen Curry, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, and John Wall — and at least one of them (Washington) and maybe two (Oklahoma City) have regrets already. Kemba Walker is now eligible for one after making the All-NBA team, but the Hornets organization knows if (or, more likely, when) they offer it to him it will be an anchor on their ability to put a good team around him on the court. Walker is going to eat up a lot of their cap space, and this is not a franchise paying the tax.

Expect the process to be tweaked in the next round of negotiations. The league is always looking for a way to give small and medium market teams a leg up in keeping stars.

Of course, put the right team around those stars (ala Milwaukee) and it’s not much of a problem.

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[Smallville102001]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I...assume you mean the first time? Because if KD doesn't join the Warriors, the Cavs repeat and maybe go for 3 in a row.



That...isn't a good idea,IMO. But then again, I think only a handful of players deserve the SuperMax. And I don't think that Kemba is one of those guys.

Yeah Kemba is a good player for sure but he is not like a top 10 type of guy though.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

So, Boston...

If they lose Kyrie, which way do you go? You have a massive contract for little production with Heyward. You have a FA with Rozier. You possibly lose Kyrie? Do you trade off the contract for expiring contracts? Do you just roll with the roster you have and hope that it does something?

IDK, Boston is at a huge cross roads. If they lose Kyrie, I think they should look towards a quick reloading for 2020.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

So, Boston...

If they lose Kyrie, which way do you go? You have a massive contract for little production with Heyward. You have a FA with Rozier. You possibly lose Kyrie? Do you trade off the contract for expiring contracts? Do you just roll with the roster you have and hope that it does something?

IDK, Boston is at a huge cross roads. If they lose Kyrie, I think they should look towards a quick reloading for 2020.

It's crazy how quickly their window closed.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

So, Boston...



If they lose Kyrie, which way do you go? You have a massive contract for little production with Heyward. You have a FA with Rozier. You possibly lose Kyrie? Do you trade off the contract for expiring contracts? Do you just roll with the roster you have and hope that it does something?



IDK, Boston is at a huge cross roads. If they lose Kyrie, I think they should look towards a quick reloading for 2020.

They were in a great spot after last year when Rozier, Tatum, Brown all had huge trade value and the King’s pick was projecting to be top 5ish..

I said it before, but I think Boston might have missed their window on a game changing move. Understandable considering they likely expected to be in the finals and were holding out for AD.. but still, everything that could go bad went bad.


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[areobee401]

2019 Offseason Thread

I want Kyrie gone and AD to end up elsewhere. Open to ideas once those things are established. Basically the exact opposite of what other Celtics fans are looking for.

[CMH]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Happy my man Rudy got third team All-NBA, but I'm hoping we don't get cornered into a supermax in two years. Him + a maxed Mitchell pretty much kills any chance of acquiring another high-level talent.

It's a bit crazy to me that while everyone is talking about Giannis and his super max, it seems like no one is talking about Gobert being eligible for the same exact contract.


And I say that because I would expect it to be one of those things that the media uses to argue that the super max is broken if Gobert can make as much money as Giannis.


Not saying I agree with that sentiment. But I can definitely see it being an argument.

[ojandpizza]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I want Kyrie gone and AD to end up elsewhere. Open to ideas once those things are established. Basically the exact opposite of what other Celtics fans are looking for.

I think this is really their best move. They still have some decent picks, and what could be a great pick from Memphis. Tatum and Brown potential wise could be a future best 1-2 punch in the league.. they may not ever reach that, it’s just “potential” after all, but those two entering their prime and flexibility to make other moves without being cap strapped might be their best option.


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[3304Life]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

They should tell him


Pssst.....

I can’t imagine Kawhi in a house that big when we know damn well he only ever uses one room.

[23]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

I can’t imagine Kawhi in a house that big when we know damn well he only ever uses one room.

He does have a family and a kid...

but forget the house, thats not a pool thats a lake

[Majingir]

Re: 2019 Offseason Thread

Forget Marco Polo, you could play hide and seek in that pool lol.