Thoughts on Rudy T

[SonicMage]

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Isn't this what the Laker management wanted though? Kobe-centric offense. They think the fans want to fill seats and watch Kobe light up teams for 40+ every game. That's the mentality we're working with here.

[SonicMage]

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Isn't this what the Laker management wanted though? Kobe-centric offense. They think the fans want to fill seats and watch Kobe light up teams for 40+ every game. That's the mentality we're working with here.

[Brankles]

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Yeah, I agree with you. It's management's fault that Kobe is shooting so poorly this year.


Holla

[Brankles]

Re: Thoughts on Rudy T

Yeah, I agree with you. It's management's fault that Kobe is shooting so poorly this year.


Holla

[bball_1523]

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So does anybody think Kobe has a BIG say on Rudy T's coaching?

[bball_1523]

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So does anybody think Kobe has a BIG say on Rudy T's coaching?

[23]

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I'm sure he has say so. That's where you get that, "MY teammates thikn I should shoot more" not "my coach" thinks I need to be more aggressive.

[23]

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I'm sure he has say so. That's where you get that, "MY teammates thikn I should shoot more" not "my coach" thinks I need to be more aggressive.

[rbruns]

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This is pathetic. LA gets rid of Shaq and now fans are pinning LA's mediocre record on Rudy T?? WTF. What you have on that team is one good player, in Kobe, and another good player that is not fit to be Kobe's sidekick. The have a dependable 3rd man in Caron. The problem is that Kobe is not on the level of Duncan, KG, or Shaq. That isn't meant to slam Kobe. It's just a fact. There are only 3 guys that you can put on a team w/a mediocre supporting cast, and they will make that team very good. As in, a 50-55 win team. Kobe just isn't that kind of player. I honestly feel bad for fans of LA/Kobe, because I think they're the first to admit that this team is not a top 4 seed in the West, but as a fan you're so accustomed to that it's hard to let go. Bottom line is Rudy has done a marvelous job on that team. He has his hands tied. He has to let Kobe isolate. Kobe isn't gonna buy into an offense he openly said he despised, "because it holds me back." Kobe is in a phase right now, where he wants to see what he can do w/o someone there to hinder his abilities.

To me it doesn't matter which way LA plays. There gonna be what they currently are. A 16-13 record, which by the way is good, considering their in the West. I realize LA is gonna play a lot of good teams coming up, so there probably gonna be .500 when they get thru this rough spot. But LA fans oughta be happy. With no inside presence, there gonna struggle. I'm sorry, but Kobe is not gonna carry a team like Shaq, KG or Duncan did. Those 3 are just as good at scoring as Kobe, but they do so much more, they block shots, rebound and anchor the defense. Kobe can't quite have the impact they do. The only guard to EVER have that much impact is Jordan, Oscar, West, Magic and Elgin, that I can think off. The only guard I see that could ONE DAY be like that is Lebron, and he's more of a 3, and has amazing size, which to me gives him an edge.

I think if Kobe can add another player to go w/him and Lamar odom, a guy that is a #1 option on a bad team, such as an Elton Brand, then LA could maybe win 55 games and have a CHANCE at a title. But to expect kobe or Rudy T to take this team and win 50-55 games is impossible. This is about where LA should be, it's time to quit bagging on Rudy T. No other coach could do any more w/this team than he has.

[rbruns]

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This is pathetic. LA gets rid of Shaq and now fans are pinning LA's mediocre record on Rudy T?? WTF. What you have on that team is one good player, in Kobe, and another good player that is not fit to be Kobe's sidekick. The have a dependable 3rd man in Caron. The problem is that Kobe is not on the level of Duncan, KG, or Shaq. That isn't meant to slam Kobe. It's just a fact. There are only 3 guys that you can put on a team w/a mediocre supporting cast, and they will make that team very good. As in, a 50-55 win team. Kobe just isn't that kind of player. I honestly feel bad for fans of LA/Kobe, because I think they're the first to admit that this team is not a top 4 seed in the West, but as a fan you're so accustomed to that it's hard to let go. Bottom line is Rudy has done a marvelous job on that team. He has his hands tied. He has to let Kobe isolate. Kobe isn't gonna buy into an offense he openly said he despised, "because it holds me back." Kobe is in a phase right now, where he wants to see what he can do w/o someone there to hinder his abilities.

To me it doesn't matter which way LA plays. There gonna be what they currently are. A 16-13 record, which by the way is good, considering their in the West. I realize LA is gonna play a lot of good teams coming up, so there probably gonna be .500 when they get thru this rough spot. But LA fans oughta be happy. With no inside presence, there gonna struggle. I'm sorry, but Kobe is not gonna carry a team like Shaq, KG or Duncan did. Those 3 are just as good at scoring as Kobe, but they do so much more, they block shots, rebound and anchor the defense. Kobe can't quite have the impact they do. The only guard to EVER have that much impact is Jordan, Oscar, West, Magic and Elgin, that I can think off. The only guard I see that could ONE DAY be like that is Lebron, and he's more of a 3, and has amazing size, which to me gives him an edge.

I think if Kobe can add another player to go w/him and Lamar odom, a guy that is a #1 option on a bad team, such as an Elton Brand, then LA could maybe win 55 games and have a CHANCE at a title. But to expect kobe or Rudy T to take this team and win 50-55 games is impossible. This is about where LA should be, it's time to quit bagging on Rudy T. No other coach could do any more w/this team than he has.

[gin]

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This is pathetic. LA gets rid of Shaq and now fans are pinning LA's mediocre record on Rudy T?? WTF. What you have on that team is one good player, in Kobe, and another good player that is not fit to be Kobe's sidekick. The have a dependable 3rd man in Caron. The problem is that Kobe is not on the level of Duncan, KG, or Shaq. That isn't meant to slam Kobe. It's just a fact. There are only 3 guys that you can put on a team w/a mediocre supporting cast, and they will make that team very good.

I stopped right there. KG doesn't belong with Duncan or Shaq when you're talking about putting them on a team w/a mediocre supporting cast and they will make the team very good. KG's teams have had one very good year. They are mediocre this year (just like the Lakers) and they were 1st round exits the 7 previous years to last year. 1st Round exits and a 16-13 record doesn't qualify as being a very good team.

[gin]

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This is pathetic. LA gets rid of Shaq and now fans are pinning LA's mediocre record on Rudy T?? WTF. What you have on that team is one good player, in Kobe, and another good player that is not fit to be Kobe's sidekick. The have a dependable 3rd man in Caron. The problem is that Kobe is not on the level of Duncan, KG, or Shaq. That isn't meant to slam Kobe. It's just a fact. There are only 3 guys that you can put on a team w/a mediocre supporting cast, and they will make that team very good.

I stopped right there. KG doesn't belong with Duncan or Shaq when you're talking about putting them on a team w/a mediocre supporting cast and they will make the team very good. KG's teams have had one very good year. They are mediocre this year (just like the Lakers) and they were 1st round exits the 7 previous years to last year. 1st Round exits and a 16-13 record doesn't qualify as being a very good team.

[Mofasa]

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think if Kobe can add another player to go w/him and Lamar odom, a guy that is a #1 option on a bad team, such as an Elton Brand, then LA could maybe win 55 games and have a CHANCE at a title. But to expect kobe or Rudy T to take this team and win 50-55 games is impossible. This is about where LA should be, it's time to quit bagging on Rudy T. No other coach could do any more w/this team than he has.

You guys are finally talking straight WOW, state your opinions and move on...good to see. But i disagree

I don't think it's impossible for LA to win 50 games with this team...hell look at the sonics.

What people don't get is kobe always changes, the kobe you see now would not be the kobe you get in seasons to come, Once he figures out how to lead on a consistant basis he and this team would be okay.

[Mofasa]

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think if Kobe can add another player to go w/him and Lamar odom, a guy that is a #1 option on a bad team, such as an Elton Brand, then LA could maybe win 55 games and have a CHANCE at a title. But to expect kobe or Rudy T to take this team and win 50-55 games is impossible. This is about where LA should be, it's time to quit bagging on Rudy T. No other coach could do any more w/this team than he has.

You guys are finally talking straight WOW, state your opinions and move on...good to see. But i disagree

I don't think it's impossible for LA to win 50 games with this team...hell look at the sonics.

What people don't get is kobe always changes, the kobe you see now would not be the kobe you get in seasons to come, Once he figures out how to lead on a consistant basis he and this team would be okay.

[fobbybobby23]

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lakers are being severly overrated here, lakers are good talent, but calling caron butler dependable?? he's still young, lots of potential, but still young

i mean rudy has a lot to blame, becuase yea kobe's their star player, but rudy's still the coach

what HAS he done?? the lakers haven't won 3 straight yet, and in my eyes, rudy should be experimenting more trying out more new things

the lakers aren't good enough to just sit back and relax, and think that with time everything will come together, because before you know it, kobe's gonna be a 16 year pro lamar is going to be old and you still haven't won any championships because Rudy sat on his butt and let kobe run iso plays all day and let contributers sit on the bench

rudy doesn't even vary his lineups, he has stuck to the same one since the beginning of the season, and they aren't exactly doing too well, they're OK, but in my eyes rudy needs to experiment more

its not just with their offensive playsets either, its their lineups, rudy should be giving more players time, to see who does well, etc.

i mean vujacic played GREAT in the preseason, why isn't he freaking playing more now?? what's the reason for that?? why isn't rudy trying different lineups, like once again i dont understand why rudy doesn't try having brian grant mihm and odom all on the court at the same time

and as for rudy having to let kobe isolate, i dont think you watch the lakers, its not ONLY kobe that isolates, its not as if every single possesion its an isolation play FOR kobe, the issue isn't that rudy runs iso plays for kobe, its just that...the iso play is seemingly the 1 out of a total of FOUR plays in rudy's playbook


and why can't lakers win without inside presence?? what kind of inside presence do they need?? they have LO who can rebound, BG who can rebound/defend, chris mihm can block shots, kobe can rebound/block people too, lakers don't have any less inside presence than supersonics, and perhaps even phoenix (amare although he's a PF/C, he's not the same as Duncan/Shaq type of player)

sonics aren't particularly any better than the lakers are on paper, how come they're winning and the lakers aren't?? aside from lacking a good PG, which both seattle and phoenix have, the lakers just seem like they are being held back by Rudy, maybe he's a good coach, but not for these lakers