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  • rbruns
    Banned
    • Oct 2002
    • 777

    #1

    Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

    One reason I think today's players are overrated is they shoot way to much. If you shot close to 40 %, you should not be shooting a lot. Period. Why should you shoot a lot, when the other team shoots 45 %? 40 % isn't going to win any games, or make you a champion.

    Magic, Bird, MJ, Drexler, Pippen, all shot close to 50 % before they got old. Why do some people not have a problem with poor shooting? You know what you were called back then if you shot poorly? A bricklayer. Today, we call VOLUME shooters good "scorers." How can you be a good scorer if you need 20-25 shots to even get your numbers????

    And it's not just defense that explains why our best wingplayer can't shoot. You want proof? Two 2nd year players with AVERAGE(at best) jumpshots are shooting 50 % and scoring 24-25 points per game. If two incomplete players like Dwayne Wade and Lebron can do it, then it's sad that our best wing players cannot. The truth is, guys like Lebron and Wade could fit in that era, b/c they didn't take bad shots and force it. Those other guys would be 6th men until they figured out their coach wouldn't play them if they were content to take fadeaway jumpshots and throw up wild layup shots b/c the drove wildly to the basket. Michael Jordan was smart enough later in his career, once defenses focused just on him, to pass more, and shoot less. If you need proof, look at MJ's scoring. He averaged 34-37 points per game early in his career. Once defenses didn't allow MJ good shots, he toned his scoring down to 28-32 points, but made the right pass.

    That's why Lebron and Wade are "real" basketball players. There content to average less points and make the pass. They don't constantly hold the ball or run the offense thru just them. They play like 80's ball. Another good example is Phoenix and Seattle are so good, they don't have any guys trying to show off or get numbers, or just be content to launch off balance jumpers b/c they're doubled or they ran the shot clock down. Not even Ray Allen stands around holding the ball. As soon as he's not open, he looks to give the ball back to his point guard or the open player.

    Here's what is so sad. Ray Allen doesn't have the equal talent as Tmac, Iverson, Kobe, etc. If those 3 played the right way, they'd probably shoot 45-50 % and score just as much, b/c they wouldn't have to shoot so much to still get there points. Who agrees with what i'm saying.
  • SuperFreak84
    Pro
    • May 2003
    • 682

    #2
    Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

    It could also be said that average players shooting higher percentages don't see the intensity and aren't the focal point of defenses. So that may be why the shooting percentages are down because those star players are the first option on their teams and expected to carry their teams.
    The true fan always know his bounds, unlike the wagon-jumping hounds,
    Who never feel the slightest shame for changing hats from game to game.
    The players come and then they go, but one thing for certain that I know,
    With purple hearts we take a stand.... for loyal is the Viking Fan.

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    • SuperFreak84
      Pro
      • May 2003
      • 682

      #3
      Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

      It could also be said that average players shooting higher percentages don't see the intensity and aren't the focal point of defenses. So that may be why the shooting percentages are down because those star players are the first option on their teams and expected to carry their teams.
      The true fan always know his bounds, unlike the wagon-jumping hounds,
      Who never feel the slightest shame for changing hats from game to game.
      The players come and then they go, but one thing for certain that I know,
      With purple hearts we take a stand.... for loyal is the Viking Fan.

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      • rbruns
        Banned
        • Oct 2002
        • 777

        #4
        Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

        I didn't use average players, I used Wade and Lebron, as examples of players shooting 50 %. They do it. So I don't agree with that. and you missed my point. MJ got more attention, so he shot less, as evidence by his scoring decline from about 34-37 to 28-32 points. These guys aren't learning to pass when they are getting all the focus. MJ, Lebron and Wade do it. If those guys keep forcing stuff and shooting 40 %, they cannot be considered "great player". No great player outside of Ben Wallace, dennis rodman type players shoot 40 % when their greatness is based on offense.

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        • rbruns
          Banned
          • Oct 2002
          • 777

          #5
          Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

          I didn't use average players, I used Wade and Lebron, as examples of players shooting 50 %. They do it. So I don't agree with that. and you missed my point. MJ got more attention, so he shot less, as evidence by his scoring decline from about 34-37 to 28-32 points. These guys aren't learning to pass when they are getting all the focus. MJ, Lebron and Wade do it. If those guys keep forcing stuff and shooting 40 %, they cannot be considered "great player". No great player outside of Ben Wallace, dennis rodman type players shoot 40 % when their greatness is based on offense.

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          • SuperFreak84
            Pro
            • May 2003
            • 682

            #6
            Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

            Originally posted by rbruns
            I didn't use average players, I used Wade and Lebron, as examples of players shooting 50 %. They do it. So I don't agree with that. and you missed my point. MJ got more attention, so he shot less, as evidence by his scoring decline from about 34-37 to 28-32 points. These guys aren't learning to pass when they are getting all the focus. MJ, Lebron and Wade do it. If those guys keep forcing stuff and shooting 40 %, they cannot be considered "great player". No great player outside of Ben Wallace, dennis rodman type players shoot 40 % when their greatness is based on offense.
            Which guys aren't learning to pass when they're getting all the focus?
            The true fan always know his bounds, unlike the wagon-jumping hounds,
            Who never feel the slightest shame for changing hats from game to game.
            The players come and then they go, but one thing for certain that I know,
            With purple hearts we take a stand.... for loyal is the Viking Fan.

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            • SuperFreak84
              Pro
              • May 2003
              • 682

              #7
              Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

              Originally posted by rbruns
              I didn't use average players, I used Wade and Lebron, as examples of players shooting 50 %. They do it. So I don't agree with that. and you missed my point. MJ got more attention, so he shot less, as evidence by his scoring decline from about 34-37 to 28-32 points. These guys aren't learning to pass when they are getting all the focus. MJ, Lebron and Wade do it. If those guys keep forcing stuff and shooting 40 %, they cannot be considered "great player". No great player outside of Ben Wallace, dennis rodman type players shoot 40 % when their greatness is based on offense.
              Which guys aren't learning to pass when they're getting all the focus?
              The true fan always know his bounds, unlike the wagon-jumping hounds,
              Who never feel the slightest shame for changing hats from game to game.
              The players come and then they go, but one thing for certain that I know,
              With purple hearts we take a stand.... for loyal is the Viking Fan.

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              • Mofasa
                Rookie
                • Sep 2004
                • 471

                #8
                Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

                ^that what I was thinking.....but we all know who he is talking bout.
                “It’s so senseless to me to say he shouldn’t take over like that. You give the same amount of shots to everybody else and they’re not making that many, I know it.”
                -Jerry West

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                • Mofasa
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 471

                  #9
                  Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

                  ^that what I was thinking.....but we all know who he is talking bout.
                  “It’s so senseless to me to say he shouldn’t take over like that. You give the same amount of shots to everybody else and they’re not making that many, I know it.”
                  -Jerry West

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                  • gin
                    Rookie
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 314

                    #10
                    Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

                    Why do you insist on making threads to discredit a certain player?? You're truly overdoing it. And since when does 49.3% or 49.4% equal to or round up to 50%??

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                    • gin
                      Rookie
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 314

                      #11
                      Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

                      Why do you insist on making threads to discredit a certain player?? You're truly overdoing it. And since when does 49.3% or 49.4% equal to or round up to 50%??

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                      • Kashanova
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 12695

                        #12
                        Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

                        why do you think this is going to someone it's not i think you feel threaten by this thread gin.

                        anyways wing players should shot 45% and up but the mid range game is a lost art

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                        • Kashanova
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 12695

                          #13
                          Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

                          why do you think this is going to someone it's not i think you feel threaten by this thread gin.

                          anyways wing players should shot 45% and up but the mid range game is a lost art

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                            yellow
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 66469

                            #14
                            Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

                            Plain and simple... the 80's-90's era of basketball had much better shooters being less athletic and all, they shot and played better.

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                              yellow
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 66469

                              #15
                              Re: Wing players shooting 50 %? Wow.

                              Plain and simple... the 80's-90's era of basketball had much better shooters being less athletic and all, they shot and played better.

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