Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • rbruns
    Banned
    • Oct 2002
    • 777

    #1

    Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

    A lot of people say that Hakeem was way better than Shaq was, and I've always disagreed. For one thing, they sight that Hakeem beat Shaq 4-0 in the 95 Finals. While they did win 4-0, two games in that series could have gone either way, Houston winning by 2 and 3 points, one thanks to Nick Anderson's 4 missed free throws. Hakeem also had Clyde Drexler, who was still better than Penny, and Sam Cassell, one of the most clutch playoff performers.

    So, getting to the point, how did they do, head to head, in the postseason? Take into account that Shaq never played Hakeem when he was in his prime, as Shaq didn't win his MVP until 2000. Hakeem's finest seasons ever statistically were in 94 and 95 seasons.

    Here's the breakdown.

    REgular season-Shaq's team won 14 out of 20 meetings.

    shaq-22.1 pts per game, 12.4 rebounds. Hakeem-18.4 pts per game, 9.1 rebounds

    -bottom line, Shaq did more in there meetings, his teams won the majority of the time

    Post season-Hakeem won 5 out of 8 meetings(had Drexler, Cassell, and Barkley at various times, Shaq had Penny)

    Shaq-28.8 pts per game, 11.4 rebounds Hakeem- 23 pts per game, 9.4 rebounds

    As you can see, while Shaq was not in his prime during those years, Hakeem was, and the fact that Hakeem won the Finals MVP and the Finals was probably due in large part to the fact Shaq was incomplete player at age 22 yrs old, and he did not have veterans like Drexler to make plays down the stretch, as his team lost 2 of the 4 games by 2 and 3 pts!! If not for nick Anderson, that series would have gone either way.

    My point is, hakeem never "dominated" shaq as some put it. Did it he match up evenly during his prime years against Shaq, yes, but I'll also take that a step further, Shaq was 22-23 yrs old in Hakeem's glory years. The numbers do not hide the fact that Shaq was in fact evenly matched or even outplayed Hakeem many a time, and Hakeem didn't have to face Shaq his MVP season when he AVERAGED 30 pts, 13 rebounds, 3 blocks, and Shaq was triple teamed at that point in his career. Anyone care to dispute the numbers, I found them by doing a search on yahoo, typing shaq hakeem head to head, and it had a list of numbers for all centers.
  • johnny_park
    Rookie
    • Aug 2002
    • 355

    #2
    Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

    Do you remember that they were going to play one on one on pay per view? But it got canceled.

    Comment

    • johnny_park
      Rookie
      • Aug 2002
      • 355

      #3
      Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

      Do you remember that they were going to play one on one on pay per view? But it got canceled.

      Comment

      • charles167
        Banned
        • Nov 2003
        • 890

        #4
        Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

        Hakeem in his Prime would kill O'neal. The footwork and skill Hakeem showed was excellent. Only Kareem had a better offensive game. Hakeem would blow by O'neal all day.

        O'Neal's numbers are better because he had to score to keep pace with the Rockets when they played. Hakeem did have a better supporing cast (Cassell,Drexler,Horry,Smith). O'neal had Penny (who was great at the time, and a very good Nick Anderson.

        Hakeem was just a more polished player. His low post game, would foul out most of the NBA big men today.
        Last edited by charles167; 01-28-2005, 01:05 PM.

        Comment

        • charles167
          Banned
          • Nov 2003
          • 890

          #5
          Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

          Hakeem in his Prime would kill O'neal. The footwork and skill Hakeem showed was excellent. Only Kareem had a better offensive game. Hakeem would blow by O'neal all day.

          O'Neal's numbers are better because he had to score to keep pace with the Rockets when they played. Hakeem did have a better supporing cast (Cassell,Drexler,Horry,Smith). O'neal had Penny (who was great at the time, and a very good Nick Anderson.

          Hakeem was just a more polished player. His low post game, would foul out most of the NBA big men today.

          Comment

          • nbasuperstar40
            Banned
            • Sep 2004
            • 1255

            #6
            Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

            Hakeem might just be the greatest center to play the game, and O'Neal is too, but I like the dream more.

            Comment

            • nbasuperstar40
              Banned
              • Sep 2004
              • 1255

              #7
              Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

              Hakeem might just be the greatest center to play the game, and O'Neal is too, but I like the dream more.

              Comment

              • rbruns
                Banned
                • Oct 2002
                • 777

                #8
                Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

                In that Finals, Hakeem averaged 32.8 pts, 11.5 rebounds, and 5.5 assists.

                shaq averaged 28 pts, 12.5 rebounds, and 6.2 assists, on 59.5 % fg .

                Drexler avg 21.5 pts, 9.5 rebounds, and 6.8 assists.


                shaq damn near played hakeem even up, he actually outrebounded him and out assisted him, and dominated at 59.5 %, he was 23 yrs old for chr8st sake. Why can't some people see it. Shaq at age 28 would have SCHOOLED Hakeem. Shaq got 28, 12.5 and 6.2 assists on 59.5 % at AGE 23 on Hakeem. Shaq was a much better defender in his prime, and stronger, had a wider assortment of moves. If you put Drexler on O'neal's team, I guarantee they beat Hakeem if Shaq is in his prime. shaq at 28 yrs old could have given Hakeem 40 pts on a nightly basis. He gave him near 30 pts at age 23. Funny how peoples opinions can be so off. To listen to some people, Shaq only avgd 10 pts per game against Hakeem. My arse he did. Hakeem at his ABSOLUTE PEAK couldn't stop Shaq at 23 yrs old. Give it up.

                and that 4-0 sweep didn't hide the fact that two of those games were lost by a combined total of 5 pts, and Nick Anderson choked that whole series, he missed shot after wide open shot. He shot 33 % from the line, and Penny didn't show up either. When you factor in that Drexler dominated, and Cassell and Horry are some of the best big game players, it's clear that Shaq vs. Hakeem didn't decide the Finals, it was the players around them. I'm sorry, but that series was closer than some want to admit, and that Shaq's supporting cast choked, they were young, whereas Drexler was a playoff tested veteran.

                Comment

                • rbruns
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 777

                  #9
                  Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

                  In that Finals, Hakeem averaged 32.8 pts, 11.5 rebounds, and 5.5 assists.

                  shaq averaged 28 pts, 12.5 rebounds, and 6.2 assists, on 59.5 % fg .

                  Drexler avg 21.5 pts, 9.5 rebounds, and 6.8 assists.


                  shaq damn near played hakeem even up, he actually outrebounded him and out assisted him, and dominated at 59.5 %, he was 23 yrs old for chr8st sake. Why can't some people see it. Shaq at age 28 would have SCHOOLED Hakeem. Shaq got 28, 12.5 and 6.2 assists on 59.5 % at AGE 23 on Hakeem. Shaq was a much better defender in his prime, and stronger, had a wider assortment of moves. If you put Drexler on O'neal's team, I guarantee they beat Hakeem if Shaq is in his prime. shaq at 28 yrs old could have given Hakeem 40 pts on a nightly basis. He gave him near 30 pts at age 23. Funny how peoples opinions can be so off. To listen to some people, Shaq only avgd 10 pts per game against Hakeem. My arse he did. Hakeem at his ABSOLUTE PEAK couldn't stop Shaq at 23 yrs old. Give it up.

                  and that 4-0 sweep didn't hide the fact that two of those games were lost by a combined total of 5 pts, and Nick Anderson choked that whole series, he missed shot after wide open shot. He shot 33 % from the line, and Penny didn't show up either. When you factor in that Drexler dominated, and Cassell and Horry are some of the best big game players, it's clear that Shaq vs. Hakeem didn't decide the Finals, it was the players around them. I'm sorry, but that series was closer than some want to admit, and that Shaq's supporting cast choked, they were young, whereas Drexler was a playoff tested veteran.

                  Comment

                  • rbruns
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 777

                    #10
                    Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

                    How can u say Hakeem in his prime woulda killed O'neal, when Hakeem didn't dominate O'neal when hakeem was in his prime? WTF. I just posted the numbers. And having a better supporting cast around you makes you play better, not worse, excuse maker. Shaq was the focal point of that team in the Finals, no offense to Penny, but Penny was no Drexler, which is who Hakeem had.

                    And Hakeem could stop Shaq at all in 95, which WAS hakeems prime. Shaq got 28 pts on 59.5 % from the field, 12.5 rebounds, and 6.6 assists. It's stupid and ignorant to say that when Shaq played Hakeem to a standstill. Hakeem got 32.8, 11.5 rebounds and 5.5 assists, that's essentially the same as Shaq did against Hakeem. And again, that year Hakeem was in his prime, shaq was 22-23 yrs old. What would shaq have done in that series if he had been 28 yrs old. His numbers would logically be even greater. Shaq would simply overpower Hakeem at age 28, the 28 yr old Shaq was 10 times better than the Shaq that Olajauwan gave up 28, 12.5 and 6.6 assists, and was 23 measly years old. Use your brain.

                    Comment

                    • rbruns
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 777

                      #11
                      Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

                      How can u say Hakeem in his prime woulda killed O'neal, when Hakeem didn't dominate O'neal when hakeem was in his prime? WTF. I just posted the numbers. And having a better supporting cast around you makes you play better, not worse, excuse maker. Shaq was the focal point of that team in the Finals, no offense to Penny, but Penny was no Drexler, which is who Hakeem had.

                      And Hakeem could stop Shaq at all in 95, which WAS hakeems prime. Shaq got 28 pts on 59.5 % from the field, 12.5 rebounds, and 6.6 assists. It's stupid and ignorant to say that when Shaq played Hakeem to a standstill. Hakeem got 32.8, 11.5 rebounds and 5.5 assists, that's essentially the same as Shaq did against Hakeem. And again, that year Hakeem was in his prime, shaq was 22-23 yrs old. What would shaq have done in that series if he had been 28 yrs old. His numbers would logically be even greater. Shaq would simply overpower Hakeem at age 28, the 28 yr old Shaq was 10 times better than the Shaq that Olajauwan gave up 28, 12.5 and 6.6 assists, and was 23 measly years old. Use your brain.

                      Comment

                      • nbasuperstar40
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 1255

                        #12
                        Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

                        Killed is something like murda, beat is a betta term my man.

                        Comment

                        • nbasuperstar40
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 1255

                          #13
                          Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

                          Killed is something like murda, beat is a betta term my man.

                          Comment

                          • gin
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 314

                            #14
                            Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

                            rbruns, how old were you during the 95 Finals?? Did you watch them? I was 20 then and I remember those Finals vividly. I live in Houston and was actually pulling for Orlando, but Hakeem ouplayed Shaq, it wasn't even close. All your doing is pulling up numbers. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Hakeem didn't 'murder' Shaq, but he did outplay him and given both of them in their primes, Hakeem would still outplay him.

                            Sure Hakeem wouldn't of been able to stop Shaq. I agree with that. But Shaq wouldn't be able to stop Hakeem either, and to be honest, Hakeem would have him in foul trouble because there is no way in hell the big chunky in his prime Shaq was going to be able to keep up with Hakeem's moves.

                            Hakeem > Shaq no contest.

                            Comment

                            • gin
                              Rookie
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 314

                              #15
                              Re: Shaq vs. Hakeem, head to head

                              rbruns, how old were you during the 95 Finals?? Did you watch them? I was 20 then and I remember those Finals vividly. I live in Houston and was actually pulling for Orlando, but Hakeem ouplayed Shaq, it wasn't even close. All your doing is pulling up numbers. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Hakeem didn't 'murder' Shaq, but he did outplay him and given both of them in their primes, Hakeem would still outplay him.

                              Sure Hakeem wouldn't of been able to stop Shaq. I agree with that. But Shaq wouldn't be able to stop Hakeem either, and to be honest, Hakeem would have him in foul trouble because there is no way in hell the big chunky in his prime Shaq was going to be able to keep up with Hakeem's moves.

                              Hakeem > Shaq no contest.

                              Comment

                              Working...