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  • jeebs9
    Fear is the Unknown
    • Oct 2008
    • 47568

    #616
    Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

    Originally posted by ojandpizza
    Like I said last night, when he's on his game he closes out games as good as anybody.
    I think that's because they get him involved early on. And they kept attacking the Sun's coverage on those DHO or picks with Giannis.

    Not to mention their defense stepped up big time. Held the Sun's 3-10 on that run. I feel like it was a combo of Suns missing wide open shots and got defense from the Bucks.
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    • jfsolo
      Live Action, please?
      • May 2003
      • 12965

      #617
      Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

      Originally posted by ojandpizza
      Right, officiating was horrible overall..

      But you can't expect those two situations to get similar reactions out of people. The kicked ball was a missed call, that happens. The Booker play was not a missed call, nobody missed that, it was just openly and blatantly not called.. Most likely because one of the stars would have fouled out. That's a horrible look for the NBA just in general.

      There was even another one after that they didn't call, I think a poster here even mentioned it was Book's "7th foul" after that one, and even the Tucker play they didn't call an offensive foul on Book either and they could have. In general he gets away with a lot, but he's a star in the playoffs and he's a smaller guy, that's pretty standard.

      I don't think the refs were 1 sided at all, just not good overall, but the Booker stuff seemed a little eyeroll-ish as they let them man rack up 10 fouls and stay in the game while he's the dude dropping 40.. And don't expect anybody to question that at least a little? **** I'm not saying they were against the Bucks, might have been the same for Giannis or Middleton the other way seeing how those refs were all night, it just so happened to be Booker.
      Some will disagree of course, but all the other perceived bad or missed calls are irrelevant, I don't know how anybody alive can't see that the Booker non calls were willful decisions to keep him in the game.
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      • BleacherBum2310
        All Star
        • Aug 2010
        • 7107

        #618
        Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

        Originally posted by ojandpizza
        Stop, this wasn’t that long ago lol.




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        shrug give me Giannis. I'm a little trolling but man Giannis block was so impressive.
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        • dubcity
          Hall Of Fame
          • May 2012
          • 17874

          #619
          Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

          Well I guess this is what the NBA wanted, but in reality we just watched a team go down 0-2, followed by the other team giving away that advantage completely. Neither team looking that great here.

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          • cima
            Hall Of Fame
            • Sep 2004
            • 13478

            #620
            Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

            I knew the moment that block happened that people were gonna start analyzing where it ranks all-time.


            Sick block and Giannis is probably the only dude on the planet that could've recovered and blocked that dunk.


            If we're gonna do this ranking though, it's gonna be #2 at best. I'd even say Giannis' block from an athletic standpoint was far more impressive than LeBron's but the significance of LeBron's block pretty much makes it impossible to unseat it from #1.

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            • itsmb8
              MVP
              • May 2011
              • 3361

              #621
              Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

              Originally posted by ojandpizza
              Right, officiating was horrible overall..

              But you can't expect those two situations to get similar reactions out of people. The kicked ball was a missed call, that happens. The Booker play was not a missed call, nobody missed that, it was just openly and blatantly not called.. Most likely because one of the stars would have fouled out. That's a horrible look for the NBA just in general.

              There was even another one after that they didn't call, I think a poster here even mentioned it was Book's "7th foul" after that one, and even the Tucker play they didn't call an offensive foul on Book either and they could have. In general he gets away with a lot, but he's a star in the playoffs and he's a smaller guy, that's pretty standard.

              I don't think the refs were 1 sided at all, just not good overall, but the Booker stuff seemed a little eyeroll-ish as they let them man rack up 10 fouls and stay in the game while he's the dude dropping 40.. And don't expect anybody to question that at least a little? **** I'm not saying they were against the Bucks, might have been the same for Giannis or Middleton the other way seeing how those refs were all night, it just so happened to be Booker.
              Lets just call it like it is, here. That was rigged. Whether it was just to keep a star in the game, or to screw over the small market, that doesn't matter. They purposely did not stick to the rules on those plays and it 100% had an effect on the game.

              Its the NBA Finals. That game either evens the series or is basically the nail in the coffin. It CANNOT happen. We watch sports because we like the competition. If we didn't care about that and just wanted to be entertained, we'd do something else. You can't have the officiating and the governing body dictating the game, especially when it's this important. That's one of the EASIEST ways to kill the league.
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              • ojandpizza
                Hall Of Fame
                • Apr 2011
                • 29807

                #622
                Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

                I don't scoff at the idea that someone could consider Giannis's block more athletically impressive, it was an insane recovery... But have people really already forgotten how the LeBron block played out?

                There was a whole sports science breakdown on that play. Dude covered 88 feet in distance the first 60 feet in 2.6 seconds, faster than they could clock Jamal Charles in that same distance, he's still 7 feet away from Iggy when Iggy catches the ball, Bron had a top speed of over 20mph blocks the ball at 11.5 feet off the ground, a 35" jump for him, in a window of opportunity that was .2 seconds. Like I feel like somehow that play outside the "moment" is being downplayed on how crazy of a play it was. The closing minutes of a finals game 7, on the road, to help seal a 3-1 comeback for the franchises first ever title is just icing on the cake.

                The recovery to be able to make the play Giannis made is insane, he's probably literally the only player in the league who could do it, but he literally only had to take 1 step and because of his length jump like a foot to make the play. The recovery was all world, the block itself I'm not even sure I would take it over Bam's..

                Amazing play, but this feels like a very "in the moment" type of hype.

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                • ojandpizza
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 29807

                  #623
                  Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

                  Originally posted by itsmb8
                  Lets just call it like it is, here. That was rigged. Whether it was just to keep a star in the game, or to screw over the small market, that doesn't matter. They purposely did not stick to the rules on those plays and it 100% had an effect on the game.

                  Its the NBA Finals. That game either evens the series or is basically the nail in the coffin. It CANNOT happen. We watch sports because we like the competition. If we didn't care about that and just wanted to be entertained, we'd do something else. You can't have the officiating and the governing body dictating the game, especially when it's this important. That's one of the EASIEST ways to kill the league.
                  It was a horrible look but I'm not jumping full board on the "rigged" train. Especially not over something as silly as market size. Especially again since they are paying Phoenix, not the Knicks, Lakers, Bulls.. It's Phoenix lol

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                  • itsmb8
                    MVP
                    • May 2011
                    • 3361

                    #624
                    Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

                    Originally posted by ojandpizza
                    It was a horrible look but I'm not jumping full board on the "rigged" train. Especially not over something as silly as market size. Especially again since they are paying Phoenix, not the Knicks, Lakers, Bulls.. It's Phoenix lol
                    Im not even 100% saying its because of market size. With ESPN/ABC broadcasting the Finals and their "terrible city" comments, you can make that argument IMO, but at the VERY LEAST it was rigged to keep Booker in the game. Anyone not admitting that is doing so to stay "uncontroversial."
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                    • J_Posse
                      Greatness Personified
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 11255

                      #625
                      Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

                      Originally posted by ojandpizza
                      I don't scoff at the idea that someone could consider Giannis's block more athletically impressive, it was an insane recovery... But have people really already forgotten how the LeBron block played out?

                      There was a whole sports science breakdown on that play. Dude covered 88 feet in distance the first 60 feet in 2.6 seconds, faster than they could clock Jamal Charles in that same distance, he's still 7 feet away from Iggy when Iggy catches the ball, Bron had a top speed of over 20mph blocks the ball at 11.5 feet off the ground, a 35" jump for him, in a window of opportunity that was .2 seconds. Like I feel like somehow that play outside the "moment" is being downplayed on how crazy of a play it was. The closing minutes of a finals game 7, on the road, to help seal a 3-1 comeback for the franchises first ever title is just icing on the cake.

                      The recovery to be able to make the play Giannis made is insane, he's probably literally the only player in the league who could do it, but he literally only had to take 1 step and because of his length jump like a foot to make the play. The recovery was all world, the block itself I'm not even sure I would take it over Bam's..

                      Amazing play, but this feels like a very "in the moment" type of hype.
                      No one is questioning how great LeBron's play was or undermining the significance of it, fellas.

                      Both plays were great and likely saved their seasons/title hopes.

                      I think people - myself included - are just giving Giannis his props since that was an incredible play.

                      Plus, it seems to me that there is a concentrated effort to downplay much of what he does or does well.

                      Not that that is directly specifically at you, yet at times it seems like there is as a caveat when he does something impressive (or his flaws are needlessly mentioned).

                      Which is the exact reason why I want the guy to win a ring.

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                      • ojandpizza
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 29807

                        #626
                        Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

                        Originally posted by J_Posse
                        No one is questioning how great LeBron's play was or undermining the significance of it, fellas.

                        Both plays were great and likely saved their seasons/title hopes.

                        I think people - myself included - are just giving Giannis his props since that was an incredible play.

                        Plus, it seems to me that there is a concentrated effort to downplay much of what he does or does well.

                        Not that that is directly specifically at you, yet at times it seems like there is as a caveat when he does something impressive (or his flaws are needlessly mentioned).

                        Which is the exact reason why I want the guy to win a ring.

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                        My post was more so directed at Cima saying "Giannis' block from an athletic standpoint was far more impressive than LeBron's" which seems to be a common thought elsewhere on the interwebz/ESPN/whatever, than anything you or anyone else here has said.

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                        • ProfessaPackMan
                          Bamma
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 63852

                          #627
                          2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

                          Originally posted by J_Posse
                          No one is questioning how great LeBron's play was or undermining the significance of it, fellas.

                          Both plays were great and likely saved their seasons/title hopes.

                          I think people - myself included - are just giving Giannis his props since that was an incredible play.

                          Plus, it seems to me that there is a concentrated effort to downplay much of what he does or does well.

                          Not that that is directly specifically at you, yet at times it seems like there is as a caveat when he does something impressive (or his flaws are needlessly mentioned).

                          Which is the exact reason why I want the guy to win a ring.

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                          Last edited by ProfessaPackMan; 07-15-2021, 02:34 PM.
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                          • cima
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 13478

                            #628
                            Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

                            Originally posted by ojandpizza
                            My post was more so directed at Cima saying "Giannis' block from an athletic standpoint was far more impressive than LeBron's" which seems to be a common thought elsewhere on the interwebz/ESPN/whatever, than anything you or anyone else here has said.
                            They're different feats of athleticism that both of them respectively may be the only dudes in the league who could do what they did but I'd venture to say there's more guys who could come close to doing what LeBron did versus I'm not sure anyone but Giannis could've done what he did.

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                            • roadman
                              *ll St*r
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 26339

                              #629
                              Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

                              Proof that Giannis block was better:

                              Giannis Antetokounmpo’s block late in Game 4 has generated 24 million video views across social media, the most-viewed social video of the #NBAFinals to date.

                              Disclaimer: Sarcasm in the sentence header. lol

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                              • Master Live 013
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Oct 2013
                                • 12423

                                #630
                                Re: 2021 NBA Finals: (2)Phoenix Suns vs (3)Milwaukee Bucks

                                I mean, I don't know, Giannis block was good and maybe it makes top 10 blocks in the Finals. Maybe, if the Bucks end off winning the Title. LeBron's block could arguably be included in Finals top 10 plays period.
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