NBA Rookie Report: 2021-22

[jeebs9]

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What’s your current rookie ranking?

[ojandpizza]

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It’s tough for me. I feel like Cade and Barnes have both been hoopin lately while Mobley has basically been about the same all year long if not just regressing ever so slightly..

But with that said Mobley was better from the jump, especially in terms of being a 2-way guy, and he’s played a big role on a team that has been very good. Sometimes it’s hard to compare that against a guy getting good numbers on a team that isn’t very good. Pistons are winning some more as of late, and you could argue Cade has been their best player during that stretch, I’m not not sure which one of those means more than the other.

Barnes has just been kinda underrated the whole time. With Cleveland sliding a bit and Toronto playing pretty well they are nearly the same in the standings now, both playing really big roles. Barnes has nearly just as much defensively versatility he just isn’t getting all the blocks Mobley does.

If I was just forced to vote I would probably go Cade, Barnes, Mobley, Wagner, Green..

A lot of that is recency bias to a degree and I realize that, but I feel like these late season pushes can often be the determining factor in tighter races like this. Had Mobley been so good from the jump that it just wasn’t close then maybe I wouldn’t be pushing him back, but I just don’t feel that was quite the case. He and his team have slid some and I don’t feel like there was many times he just really stood out as the guy the way Cade and Barnes have in some of these games recently.

As far as the Pistons being absolute awful, that is true. But they obviously don’t have the talent of either of those other teams. On top of that Cade missed a lot of games, Grant missed a lot of games, there have been some limitations there. And if you look at all the games Cade didn’t play the Pistons were only able to win 1 game this season without him. 1-14 in the games he’s missed. At the end of the day they have all been good, not great or anything like that, but one guy has transitioned into his teams “leader” and go-to guy late in games, etc.

But I don’t think any of the 3 would be bad choices by any means. Nobody would be getting snubbed here.

[jeebs9]

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It’s tough for me. I feel like Cade and Barnes have both been hoopin lately while Mobley has basically been about the same all year long if not just regressing ever so slightly..

But with that said Mobley was better from the jump, especially in terms of being a 2-way guy, and he’s played a big role on a team that has been very good. Sometimes it’s hard to compare that against a guy getting good numbers on a team that isn’t very good. Pistons are winning some more as of late, and you could argue Cade has been their best player during that stretch, I’m not not sure which one of those means more than the other.

Barnes has just been kinda underrated the whole time. With Cleveland sliding a bit and Toronto playing pretty well they are nearly the same in the standings now, both playing really big roles. Barnes has nearly just as much defensively versatility he just isn’t getting all the blocks Mobley does.

If I was just forced to vote I would probably go Cade, Barnes, Mobley, Wagner, Green..

A lot of that is recency bias to a degree and I realize that, but I feel like these late season pushes can often be the determining factor in tighter races like this. Had Mobley been so good from the jump that it just wasn’t close then maybe I wouldn’t be pushing him back, but I just don’t feel that was quite the case. He and his team have slid some and I don’t feel like there was many times he just really stood out as the guy the way Cade and Barnes have in some of these games recently.

As far as the Pistons being absolute awful, that is true. But they obviously don’t have the talent of either of those other teams. On top of that Cade missed a lot of games, Grant missed a lot of games, there have been some limitations there. And if you look at all the games Cade didn’t play the Pistons were only able to win 1 game this season without him. 1-14 in the games he’s missed. At the end of the day they have all been good, not great or anything like that, but one guy has transitioned into his teams “leader” and go-to guy late in games, etc.

But I don’t think any of the 3 would be bad choices by any means. Nobody would be getting snubbed here.

Couldn't have put it any better!


Kuminga is really good. I'm kind of afraid of him. He had a lot of room to grown already

He might take Iggy spot that's how good he's playing.

https://youtu.be/OY_g3_L_2zg

[jeebs9]

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I'm starting to lean Cade for rookie of the year [emoji23]. No shocker there.

Detroit plays the Knicks today. This game will lock it in for me. Cade been playing well for a while now. Look at his 4th quarter vs the Wizards

https://youtu.be/kTd4w52O_X4?t=194

Makes that pass to Bey for the lead
Alley Oop pass to Marvin (they been connecting)
Down 3, makes a mid range jumper.
Down 1, makes another mid jumper

Even made thinking basketball

https://youtu.be/9PR-l8kQQP4

[jeebs9]

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Cade breaking down his game

https://youtu.be/Pnau8E1-WiA

[jeebs9]

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Here is a awesome article about all the narratives each rookie faces

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-stats-notebook-fighting-narratives-in-the-rookie-of-the-year-race

I thought it was a cool breakdown for the top 3 guys. Should be very interesting.

[Majingir]

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16-17 was last time 3 guys recieved 1st place votes for ROY.

Since the 05-06 season, only 1 time has it been a close race for ROY, and that was in 08-09 when Tyreke Evan's beat out some guy named Stephen Curry.

This year will be interesting to see how the voting goes.

Player A: 15.4PPG, 3.4APG, 1.1SPG, 7.6RPG, 0.8BPG, .523EFG%, 0.9BPM, 1.9VORP, 16.4PER

Player B: 17.4PPG, 5.6APG, 1.2SPG, 5.5RPG, 0.7BPG, .471EFG%, -1.7BPM, 0.2VORP, 13.1PER

Player C: 14.9PPG, 2.5APG, 0.8SPG, 8.2RPG, 1.6BPG .521EFG%, 0.5BPM, 1.5VORP, 15.9PER

Just using the "regular stats" and totaling them up, Player B wins.

Using advanced stats, it's more between player A and C, with A being better than C.

So it just depends on how the voters vote. Some might just look at stats and say one guy had more points, assists and so on and vote him. While ones who dig deeper will see someone else is actually better.

Spoiler

A is Barnes
B is Cunningham
C is Mobley

[jeebs9]

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16-17 was last time 3 guys recieved 1st place votes for ROY.

Since the 05-06 season, only 1 time has it been a close race for ROY, and that was in 08-09 when Tyreke Evan's beat out some guy named Stephen Curry.

This year will be interesting to see how the voting goes.

Player A: 15.4PPG, 3.4APG, 1.1SPG, 7.6RPG, 0.8BPG, .523EFG%, 0.9BPM, 1.9VORP, 16.4PER

Player B: 17.4PPG, 5.6APG, 1.2SPG, 5.5RPG, 0.7BPG, .471EFG%, -1.7BPM, 0.2VORP, 13.1PER

Player C: 14.9PPG, 2.5APG, 0.8SPG, 8.2RPG, 1.6BPG .521EFG%, 0.5BPM, 1.5VORP, 15.9PER

Just using the "regular stats" and totaling them up, Player B wins.

Using advanced stats, it's more between player A and C, with A being better than C.

So it just depends on how the voters vote. Some might just look at stats and say one guy had more points, assists and so on and vote him. While ones who dig deeper will see someone else is actually better.

Spoiler

A is Barnes
B is Cunningham
C is Mobley

I've been looking at their stats so much for the last month. I already knew who was player was reading through it [emoji23]. I say split it between the 3. Co-co-co ROY [emoji23]

Spoiler

[jeebs9]

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I'm starting to lean Cade for rookie of the year [emoji23]. No shocker there.

Detroit plays the Knicks today. This game will lock it in for me. Cade been playing well for a while now. Look at his 4th quarter vs the Wizards

https://youtu.be/kTd4w52O_X4?t=194

Makes that pass to Bey for the lead
Alley Oop pass to Marvin (they been connecting)
Down 3, makes a mid range jumper.
Down 1, makes another mid jumper

Even made thinking basketball
https://youtu.be/9PR-l8kQQP4

Thinking basketball didn't make this race easier lol

Scottie Barnes

https://youtu.be/qcub0eysi-u

Evan Mobley
https://youtu.be/Qcub0eYSi-U

Never can go wrong with their breakdowns