NBA Off Topic Thread

[ojandpizza]

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OJ, I don’t give two ****s about Scottie saying “MJ Bad Arghhhh”. Those comments don’t annoy me.

He’s been doing this for like 5 years straight while saying the same **** in that time span. He’s already established that Jordan is an ***hole(Breaking some news there, Scottie!)and that he thinks Lebron is the better player and person.

Ok cool, so now what? You(Scottie)gonna tell us something that we don’t know already or you gonna keep repeating the same stuff every time an MJ related question is asked?

He’s old enough to know how this **** works(especially since he used to work for ESPN)and that anything HE says about MJ is going to get attention. He can easily say “No Comment” or say “Y’all already know my feelings on that man so it’s no need to keep asking me”. Nobody on these shows are putting guns in this man’s face and forcing him to answer just like WE aren’t pressing stories about how bad of a person/teammate MJ is.

Your post would be fine if this is/was a 1-2x time thing. But this is becoming a yearly thing, which is why I said it’s attention whoring. If MJ was out here dogging him every time, then I’d have no issue with Scottie speaking on him at all. But speaking for myself, this goes beyond this one interview. If you want to keep talking about MJ then either break some news or STFU. Hell, if this was any other player speaking out negatively about Lebron voluntarily THIS MANY TIMES, we’d all be saying that player is obsessed with Lebron, context be damned.

(FWIW, I was already over it and only responded since you quoted me)

I’m not disagreeing with that, which is why I’ve said in all my posts that he’s obviously bitter. But both things can be true. He can be bitter while also being misquoted to look like he’s saying **** he didn’t say too.

And while he could just ignore the question this was an hour and a half (basically) long podcast. With a former Bulls teammate. Where 99% of the talk was about the Bulls, their teammates, MJ, Phil, Rodman, Krause. Was he just supposed to sit there and refuse to respond to questions about the Bulls when that was the whole damn podcast?

He has called LeBron better, he’s also called Jordan better, this time he elected to not pick either one of them and he’s still being made into the bad guy lol.

[King_B_Mack]

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That man was not misquoted OJ. That's cap first and foremost. I watched the episode because I knew Pip was going to be on there and despite all his bitter, butt hurtness I still love Scottie. His exact words, word for word

"I've seen Michael Jordan play before I came to play with the Bulls. You've seen him play. He was a horrible player. He was horrible to play with. He was all 1-on-1. He was shooting bad shots. And all of the sudden we become a team and we start winning. Everybody forgot who he was. Winning wasn't at the top of his category. It was scoring. He was going after scoring titles. It wasn't until Phil Jackson showed up that kind of changed the menu a little bit and that still took some time."

And that of course came after he delivered this gem after Stacey asks him where will LeBron rank in the greatest player discussion when he's done.

"I got a way of scoring this. There is not a greatest player. I'mma put myself in there if you gonna call out a greatest player. What makes Michael Jordan great? Cause he had the media give him MVPs? Jokic is great and they didn't even put him on the mother****ing team this year. I don't understand what people say makes people great because I saw a two time should have been three time ****ing MVP not even get picked by his peers. So I don't ever want to hear about a great ****ing player unless he's winning. LeBron James is probably one of the greatest winners to ever play the game. He wins. He ain't won that many championships but he been in the Finals. Name somebody else that can win and get to what he's got. Now, does that make him the greatest to ever play the game. No. Michael Jordan is probably one of the greatest individual scorers we've ever seen, but probably not, it's probably Kareem."

It's kind of hilarious watching him losing his **** all these years about unsung heroes and not getting enough credit for the Bulls championships and he spent the majority of the interview slamming Michael as being selfish and watching the Last Dance and taking away from it that you'd have thought Michael won all those titles by himself from watching the Last Dance but he's praising LeBron as a winner without not a credit in sight for all the guys on LeBron's TEAM that helped him win. You know since Pip's thing is talking about being a team this time.

You also leave out the fact that he starts the interview talking about Michael. Stacey welcomes him on to the podcast, they have some playful banter about Scottie's liquor that Stacey bought for the show and mentions some names of other former Bulls players he's had on the show like Horace, Cliff Livingston, even Phil a couple weeks ago and says how he likes to have guys from the 90's Bulls on and as he's saying that Scottie was one of the last one's left that he hadn't had on the show Scottie is already chiming in "I didn't hear you say Michael Jordan." Stacey makes some funny remarks back about Michael being too big to do the show cause you have to go through 100 people to get to him and you can just hear Scottie's whole tone dry up once the conversation shifts to Michael and they segway to the Last Dance after Scottie brings up Michael.

The only thing he was really "misquoted" on was the first blogger that got ahold of the audio rearranged after he called Michael a horrible player he added in the line about Phil and Michael where Scottie said Phil became selfish and when you had one selfish guy coaching the team and another selfish guy already on the team (being Michael) it was time to break it up. Pippen is a classic case of someone who never takes accountability for his own actions. This is the dude who signed a **** contract and we all knew this story before the Last Dance that he signed a bad contract and then wanted a new one when he outperformed it and we he didn't get it he got pissed to the point that he purposely didn't get surgery to screw the team over. That of course coming after 1.8 but he's out now calling out other people about ego and being selfish.

[ojandpizza]

NBA Off Topic Thread

That man was not misquoted OJ. That's cap first and foremost. I watched the episode because I knew Pip was going to be on there and despite all his bitter, butt hurtness I still love Scottie. His exact words, word for word

King I’ve said multiple times in here now misquoted as in it was clipped to take away what he meant and ruin the context. Never did I say the exact line wasn’t said [emoji849].. he did not literally mean “MJ was a horrible player” the way it’s being insinuated all across the internet. You doing the same thing the internet doing knowing damn well what I meant, saying cap when you know I never insinuated that exact 5 word phrase wasn’t said in the middle of the rest of it.

As for all the other stuff you wasted all that time typing I’ve already listened to the entire podcast too [emoji1360][emoji23].

How Stacey King interpreted it all:









How the rest of the internet decided to interpret it because context be dammed: “Lol wow Scottie is off his rocker, he really said MJ sucked at basketball”.

[ggsimmonds]

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As for all the other stuff you wasted all that time typing I’ve already listened to the entire podcast too [emoji1360][emoji23].

Imma let you guys finish your argument, but not OJ making this comment

[King_B_Mack]

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King I’ve said multiple times in here now misquoted as in it was clipped to take away what he meant and ruin the context. Never did I say the exact line wasn’t said [emoji849].. he did not literally mean “MJ was a horrible player” the way it’s being insinuated all across the internet. You doing the same thing the internet doing knowing damn well what I meant, saying cap when you know I never insinuated that exact 5 word phrase wasn’t said in the middle of the rest of it.

As for all the other stuff you wasted all that time typing I’ve already listened to the entire podcast too [emoji1360][emoji23].

How Stacey King interpreted it all:









How the rest of the internet decided to interpret it because context be dammed: “Lol wow Scottie is off his rocker, he really said MJ sucked at basketball”.

OJ there is no context needed. At no point in Michael Jordan's professional basketball career has he ever been a "horrible player."

But anyway Stacey don't even listen to his own podcast. The clip he says was edited is exactly how it is from his youtube page man.

https://twitter.com/Stacey21King/status/1662225088215941120?s=20

https://youtu.be/1E4TNklo0As?t=4312

[ojandpizza]

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OJ there is no context needed. At no point in Michael Jordan's professional basketball career has he ever been a "horrible player."

Exactly….. that’s the entire point of what Stacey’s tweets are saying, what I’ve said, what JPosse said, and why the clipped quotes are intentionally misleading.

“Horrible player” is what came out of his mouth, but it was obvious it’s not what he literally meant. Yet every clip posted online either excludes the rest (or is clickbait so you actually have to go and read for full context) and makes it look as if he’s literally meaning that MJ was a horrible player. Obviously not Pippen or anybody else actually thinks MJ was a horrible basketball player, what Pippen says immediately after that, and the general topic they are discussing clarifies more so what he was trying to say. But that’s not being plastered all over the web.

Whole thing is worded horribly, but again look who it is speaking. But what you just posted “At no point in Michael Jordan's professional basketball career has he ever been a horrible player” should be everyone’s “ah ha moment” to realize that probably isn’t what he actually meant.. sadly here we are a million typed words later, and all sorts of people all over the web giving knee jerk reactions to click bait titles basically claiming Scottie didn’t think MJ could hoop before the Bulls drafted Scottie lol.

[tru11]

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Pippen talks like he was great player from day 1 and always put the team first lol.

Aint **** out of context nor worded poorly.

Dude meant what he said in the way he said, dude just bitter and cant accept things as they are.

He and I.T would make a great podcast together and should call is Le Miserables.


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[King_B_Mack]

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Exactly….. that’s the entire point of what Stacey’s tweets are saying, what I’ve said, what JPosse said, and why the clipped quotes are intentionally misleading.

“Horrible player” is what came out of his mouth, but it was obvious it’s not what he literally meant. Yet every clip posted online either excludes the rest (or is clickbait so you actually have to go and read for full context) and makes it look as if he’s literally meaning that MJ was a horrible player. Obviously not Pippen or anybody else actually thinks MJ was a horrible basketball player, what Pippen says immediately after that, and the general topic they are discussing clarifies more so what he was trying to say. But that’s not being plastered all over the web.

Whole thing is worded horribly, but again look who it is speaking. But what you just posted “At no point in Michael Jordan's professional basketball career has he ever been a horrible player” should be everyone’s “ah ha moment” to realize that probably isn’t what he actually meant.. sadly here we are a million typed words later, and all sorts of people all over the web giving knee jerk reactions to click bait titles basically claiming Scottie didn’t think MJ could hoop before the Bulls drafted Scottie lol.

Bruh lol. First based on Scotties comments about Michael for years now, this dude doesn't get the benefit of the doubt of trying to fix his words for him.

Beyond that, this man literally ran with the typical internet troll/LeBron - Kobe stan argument of underselling Michael's game as just a great scorer. He literally said Michael wasn't about winning and wasn't trying to win before he and Phil got there just trying to get scoring titles. Get out of here with this argument OJ

[ProfessaPackMan]

NBA Off Topic Thread

I’m not disagreeing with that, which is why I’ve said in all my posts that he’s obviously bitter. But both things can be true. He can be bitter while also being misquoted to look like he’s saying **** he didn’t say too.

And while he could just ignore the question this was an hour and a half (basically) long podcast. With a former Bulls teammate. Where 99% of the talk was about the Bulls, their teammates, MJ, Phil, Rodman, Krause. Was he just supposed to sit there and refuse to respond to questions about the Bulls when that was the whole damn podcast?

He has called LeBron better, he’s also called Jordan better, this time he elected to not pick either one of them and he’s still being made into the bad guy lol.

Idk how much I can make clear that I’m not just talking about this one podcast 🤷🏾*♂️

We should create an account for Scottie so that he can clarify his own words since apparently the words that he said don’t actually mean what he exactly said.

[King_B_Mack]

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Scottie Pippen: "when I go back and look at his videos (Kobe Bryant), and I say to myself, ‘Damn, he was better than Michael Jordan…'”

OJ: Man he was misquoted. What he really meant was something else and people just want him to look bad.

[ggsimmonds]

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I personally haven't seen anyone twist Pip's words so far out of context that they took it to mean or presented to mean Jordan was a horrible basketball player. That is so far from the truth that even The Onion wouldn't try to make a satirical article making that claim.

What I've seen people present this as is seemingly exactly how Pippen meant it: He was a horrible teammate/ team player

I haven't watched the podcast and I don't intend to. But what it seems to me that Pippen was saying was that Jordan was a selfish player only concerned with individual accolades until Phil and Pippen arrived and "changed the culture."

What King's tweets are doing is dialing it back a bit. From Pip's "horrible (team player)" he is trying to make it a more reasonable stance of "Jordan was great but didn't do it alone."

Its like if you are a campaign manager and your candidate says something dumb as hell to put his foot in his mouth, so you run back and come up with a damage control statement.

[ojandpizza]

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Scottie Pippen: "when I go back and look at his videos (Kobe Bryant), and I say to myself, ‘Damn, he was better than Michael Jordan…'”



OJ: Man he was misquoted. What he really meant was something else and people just want him to look bad.

I’ve typed a lot on this, and deleted even more, but I really don’t care as much as it seems.. I don’t care if Pippen “looks bad”. I’ve not given Pippen a single thought since the last time he said something stupid, and probably won’t give him another thought until the next time either…

I saw the quote popping up all over my internet feeds and my first thought was “no way this dude really said MJ was a horrible basketball player”.. I went and read the full quote, listened to the podcast, and had basically the same takeaway as JPosse. Thought the quote was being mis-represented given the context of the discussion. And how it was being posted vs how it was said in the interview.

If you want to take it as him literally thinking “MJ is a horrible player”, we can agree to disagree. I’m fine with that. But we have discussions in here all the time where we get a quote posted and everyone is quick to point out when it’s an answer to a question, or quick to post the full article/statement to provide context.

Pack knows if this was any comment Kyrie/KD had made taking one sentence, then another, cutting the comments from around them and splicing them back to back like this it wouldn’t be something he would let fly without saying it was missing context of the full discussion and grabbing us a link.

I don’t care one way or another about Pip. We know he’s bitter. We know he’s been doing this. We know he was selfish himself, we know he ****ed himself on his contract, and anybody who’s listened to this podcast knows he said plenty of other **** sounding bitter throughout even if you exclude this comment we’re discussing.

My whole point was NBA media was doing NBA media ****. They took that phrase, removed the rest, stuck it on graphics (many of which had LeBron on them), and either didn’t include the full quote, context of the discussion, or stuck it behind the headline treating it as clickbait. Typical NBA building drama for clicks. Why it’s wrong for me to point that out in this instance idk [emoji2371].

But if this is what we’re about going forward with future quotes I’ll just save myself the time of posting what I believe the context was. We can just take every quote at face value.

What I've seen people present this as is seemingly exactly how Pippen meant it: He was a horrible teammate/ team player

I haven't watched the podcast and I don't intend to. But what it seems to me that Pippen was saying was that Jordan was a selfish player only concerned with individual accolades until Phil and Pippen arrived and "changed the culture."

This is what I’ve been saying it meant for pages now.

My issue was it was being taken as and posted as “LeBron is the GOAT, MJ was a horrible player before me” all over the internet. With graphics like the one below, and unless you went digging yourself that’s all you would assume it was. I was just calling that out, how it’s been misrepresented online in graphics, headlines, tweets, YouTube titles, etc..

But that makes me crazy because since “Jordan was a horrible player” was actually said then that has to be the only thing he could have possibly meant.

[ProfessaPackMan]

NBA Off Topic Thread

I said that man was/is attention whoring and you quoted my post and typed like 50 essays for whatever reason. Maybe boredom idk but I was done speaking on it once I got my joke out the way, lol.

“Well, if this was KD/Kyrie” yeah well it’s not so what? We gonna let this go or you got another essay in the drafts lol. This whole thing was pointless

[zello144]

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsl...ure-nba-rights

Interesting stuff about NBA TV rights.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsl...ure-nba-rights



Interesting stuff about NBA TV rights.

Would love to see NBA return to NBC but that seems unlikely based on that article.