The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

[bigeastbumrush]

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I really hope people aren't expecting Baron Davis to be some sort of savior.

[CMH]

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I really hope people aren't expecting Baron Davis to be some sort of savior.

I tried getting into this with some people and I don't think they were hearing it.

It's really a lot of garbage. I know he's a better guard than what we currently have playing, but never in Davis's life do I remember him being this pick & roll machine pure point guard.

And the fact that D'Antoni keeps mentioning him being their savior makes me wants to punch Mike in the face. How a GM lets him say stupid crap like that is beyond me too. It's also a slap in the face to his current players.

[bigeastbumrush]

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That's Mike's M.O.

He picks certain players and tries to "Nash" them. "Nash" meaning he'll act like they're the best player in the league and talk them up with unreasonable expectations.

He did that with Amare. When Melo came aboard...he dropped Amare and did the same to Melo.

He's not a guru in any sense of the word.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he came here. But when I saw him repeatedly draw up last second 3-point attempts for Amare last year (I don't care how many he hit)...I knew he was a fraud.

I think he's best served doing a John Calipari and going to the college ranks. They'd love him there and he'd shine. And most importantly...the players would respect him and eat up all the crap he serves.

[DiceMan]

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What do you guys think about the Orlando rumor?

[ehh]

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He won't be a savior but he does have the chance to make a much bigger impact than all of the naysayers believe. We're the only team in the entire league that doesn't have a point guard on it's roster. Douglas and Shumpert are combo-guards, much closer to 2G than PG in both instances IMO. Baron was never one of the elite PnR point guards but trust me, he'll be better than Shumpert and I don't even need to mention TD's PnR abilities.

The NBA isn't like typical ball where all offense runs through your point guard obviously but having one is extremely important in almost all scenarios.

[ehh]

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What do you guys think about the Orlando rumor?

Love or hate Screamin' A Smith I do trust him when it comes to rumors/sources more than any other media guy that covers the NBA. I'm sure Orlando inquired, but we'll have to take back someone else to make the deal work financially (unless something changed in the new CBA).

Amare & Chandler make $31 mil/yr, Duhwight makes $18m.

I tell you what though, if I'm the Magic there is no way I'm getting a better deal than that. We'll see what happens, I'm sure Amare would be so heated.

[CMH]

I wouldn't be surprised if Amar'e would rejoice getting away from Melo.


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[bigeastbumrush]

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What do you guys think about the Orlando rumor?

I wouldn't do it...only because I am stubborn.

On paper I think it's a great idea.

I just do not want the joy that I had when we brought in Amare (one of my favorite players at the time) to turn into Melo and someone else...that being Dwight.

I don't trust Melo. Love his ability to be a big time player. I just don't trust him and his habits. I think Amare has a much better work ethic and cares more about winning, the franchise and the city.

I don't buy Melo's "love" for NY. I think it's kind of fake and I think him and Dwight just love the fringe benefits of being in such a large market (Amare does too but he really seems like he wants to win here).

On the court...I think this team with 3 good players (Amare, Melo & Chandler) could work with the right coach. We have them for like 5 years and we have good role players around them- Shump, BD, Harrelson. Many teams can't say that.

Someone needs to put it all together. That's what were missing.

It's like having all the ingredients to a good recipe. A horrible chef can make it taste like crap but a great chef can make it taste like a 5-star meal.

[bigeastbumrush]

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He won't be a savior but he does have the chance to make a much bigger impact than all of the naysayers believe. We're the only team in the entire league that doesn't have a point guard on it's roster. Douglas and Shumpert are combo-guards, much closer to 2G than PG in both instances IMO. Baron was never one of the elite PnR point guards but trust me, he'll be better than Shumpert and I don't even need to mention TD's PnR abilities.

The NBA isn't like typical ball where all offense runs through your point guard obviously but having one is extremely important in almost all scenarios.

While Baron may not be a combo guard...he is a shoot first PG. The last time I remember the Knicks having a PG that didn't care about his shot was Chris Duhon and FWIW he did pretty well.

I'd like to see what this team could do with a PG that didn't care about scoring. I think we'd be incredible.

[jb12780]

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For someone who watched the game tonight, did the Knicks play D or did Charlotte shoot bad? I also noticed Melo was 0-7 from the field, and they were up by (last time I checked) about 25.

[bigeastbumrush]

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For someone who watched the game tonight, did the Knicks play D or did Charlotte shoot bad? I also noticed Melo was 0-7 from the field, and they were up by (last time I checked) about 25.

The Bobcats are bad but the Knicks played good.

Tyson Chandler completely manned the paint. Offensive boards, putbacks, you name it.

Melo actually passed the ball when he got it and the offense flowed much better. Fields was aggressive and has been over the past few games.

I smiled watching a P&R with Bibby & STAT even though Amare was fouled on the play.

The Knicks played team ball and did well. Take note Melo.

[CMH]

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The Bobcats are bad. Terrible, really. But, the Knicks also played very well. Lots of ball movement. Lots of passing. A few dumb shots like Douglas pulling up for threes without much thought and Jeffries thinking he was a three-point shooter after hitting a couple, but overall good things.

A few good things the Knicks did:

1. They didn't shoot over 20 three-pointers. Good sign.
2. They had over 20 assists. Lots of ball movement.
3. They got Chandler involved. He was crashing the boards, but the Knicks actually made him part of the offense.
4. Can't recall Melo taking one bad shot all game.

The only issue with Melo is I'd like to see him at least stay aggressive, but I do like that he stepped back and let his teammates get the job done. Perhaps he sees now that he should trust them. There will always be moments when they need Melo to step up and drive to the basket. But I would never have a problem with Melo taking someone off the dribble and finding a good shot. I doubt any of us would.

Stay away from the double/triple-teamed forced shots and pass the ball. That's what we want.

D'Antoni's face still irritates me.

[bigfnjoe96]

Complete game by the home team. I know the Bobcats are bad, but us winning by the margin we did & Melo only scoring 1pt. Yes that's not a typo 1pt shows that we can win, when people & the ball are always moving

Tyson Chandler was a beast tonight. So can we now stop with the Duhwight rumors SAS

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[ehh]

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While Baron may not be a combo guard...he is a shoot first PG. The last time I remember the Knicks having a PG that didn't care about his shot was Chris Duhon and FWIW he did pretty well.

I'd like to see what this team could do with a PG that didn't care about scoring. I think we'd be incredible.

He's shoot-first for sure but he's a more than capable passer (over 7 APG for his career). He's never played with two offensive stars like Melo & Amare either, I think he'll do a good job of adjusting especially since he's lost some of his athleticism that allowed him to create so many looks for himself.

[GiantYankee]

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I'm not expecting Baron to be a savior, but I don't see him chucking up shots. He wanted to come here and I feel like he's going to do his best to run the offense and fit in. Baron is 32 and I don't see him being an immature player trying to get his. Will he be effective? Can he run the p&r? We'll have to wait and see. Who knows, I could be completely wrong but I would be shocked.