The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

[NYJets]

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Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo

Knicks center Tyson Chandler to be named NBA Defensive Player of the Year tomorrow at team practice facility, source tells

[ehh]

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Good. Congrats to Tyson, the only player on the team I don't think I cursed out at least once this year lol.

Great addition to the team, glad we made the move.

[Jdoug312]

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Good. Congrats to Tyson, the only player on the team I don't think I cursed out at least once this year lol.

Great addition to the team, glad we made the move.

Not concerned about the contract?

[GOBLUE_08]

Not concerned about the contract?

Imo he's worth every penny, he's the unspoken leader of this team and they feed off his energy/emotion. Its tough to find a center that plays as hard as he does.

[ehh]

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Not concerned about the contract?

I think it's the contract of his front court partner that Knick fans are concerned with.

[Vast]

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I think it's the contract of his front court partner that Knick fans are concerned with.

I really appreciate Amar'e for coming to NY and bringing us back from nothing last year, BUT 2 years in a row when we needed him most, he shoots himself in the foot!

Last year with the injury to his back which happened while he was doing a trick dunk in warm ups!!( I did not know this, until the other day) and now with the punching the glass thing, SMH man.

Add in that hes a poor defender, and half the player he used to be for the amount he gets paid..... we need to trade him if we want to be succesful.

[datdude69]

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STAT is still worth the cash ONLY if he's coming off the bench with the second squad. Melo and STAT on the floor at the same time doesn't work. But Melo with the starters and STAT with the seconds does (did the few times it was done). It just seems like when Melo is out there STAT just fades away.

[ehh]

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I really appreciate Amar'e for coming to NY and bringing us back from nothing last year, BUT 2 years in a row when we needed him most, he shoots himself in the foot!

Last year with the injury to his back which happened while he was doing a trick dunk in warm ups!!( I did not know this, until the other day) and now with the punching the glass thing, SMH man.

Add in that hes a poor defender, and half the player he used to be for the amount he gets paid..... we need to trade him if we want to be succesful.

The first few months of his Knick career were amazing, that time before the Melo deal was sadly as exciting a stretch as Knick basketball had had in over a decade. He was balling like crazy and was THE man in NYC. He was proving all the naysayers wrong that we were foolish to sign him to a max contract. He was the best PF in the league for those few months.

Now all those naysayers are correct. Since the Melo deal Amare has been a major bust. After we get swept by Miami he'll have played in 3 of 8 playoff games in their entirety in his first two years with us. And both injuries were out of stupidity. He's the worst defensive big man I've ever seen not counting guys who are total stiffs. He's totally lost without a good pick and roll point guard and he can't blend in with Melo (each of them gets part of the blame for that). I think people are overreacting big time to his "knees being shot" or him lacking explosiveness. He's still dunked on guys regularly this year, it's just that the rest of his game doesn't fit at all with our team.

For a tenure in NY that started with such promise it's taken an ugly nosedive. About the only thing worse would be if he blew out a knee again and was gone for a whole season - I'm guessing he has that up his sleeve for next season.

[Vast]

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The first few months of his Knick career were amazing, that time before the Melo deal was sadly as exciting a stretch as Knick basketball had had in over a decade. He was balling like crazy and was THE man in NYC. He was proving all the naysayers wrong that we were foolish to sign him to a max contract. He was the best PF in the league for those few months.

Now all those naysayers are correct. Since the Melo deal Amare has been a major bust. After we get swept by Miami he'll have played in 3 of 8 playoff games in their entirety in his first two years with us. And both injuries were out of stupidity. He's the worst defensive big man I've ever seen not counting guys who are total stiffs. He's totally lost without a good pick and roll point guard and he can't blend in with Melo (each of them gets part of the blame for that). I think people are overreacting big time to his "knees being shot" or him lacking explosiveness. He's still dunked on guys regularly this year, it's just that the rest of his game doesn't fit at all with our team.

For a tenure in NY that started with such promise it's taken an ugly nosedive. About the only thing worse would be if he blew out a knee again and was gone for a whole season - I'm guessing he has that up his sleeve for next season.

We need to move him. If Orlando can get rid of the worst contract ever Rashard Lewis then the Knicks can move a capable offensive PF in Amare.

[NYJets]

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Yea if we can find a team with a worse player with a worse contract, we might be able to move him. Don't see how that helps though.

We just need to pray that:
A. Amare can get completely healthy
B. After a regular training camp and preseason with a real coach, and hopefully guys finally staying healthy for an extended period, we can gel. If not, we won't be a contender. And as far as bring Amare off the bench, Melo plays 35 minutes a game, it won't make a significant difference either way, they need to play well together.

[GOBLUE_08]

Miami is just whooping us, they literally look beat up out there. I knew we weren't gonna win the series but I at least thought the intensity would be there... May as well not even play game 4, Nothin left in the tank.

[NYJets]

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So ****ing frustrating to get beat down like this.

Once again, injuries killed us this year. PG play is horrible. Losing Shumpert kills. And I'm down on Amare like many, and often we've been better without him, but against an elite team like the Heat, in the playoffs, are only hope is to have him and hope things magically click. Without him, we have nothing. Can't count on JR, Novak has been completely shut down, Fields sucks, it's Melo and nothing else.

Hope this doesn't cost Woodson his job. His regular season record outweighs this. Do that next year, plus keep the team relatively healthy, and we could make some noise.

[ehh]

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Yeah, it's just a joke. It's going to be easy to rag on Melo and part of it is deserved.

He's now lost two playoff series to two outstanding defensive teams while missing Stoudemire and his starting PG. The injury situation is just ridiculous, no team has missed the firepower we have in the last two postseasons.

At the same time, Melo has shown how poor his basketball IQ is this series. His patented "catch the ball, hold for 4 seconds, then make a move" will never work against Miami just like it didn't work against Boston last year outside of his unconscious Game 2 effort. He's so indecisive and lets the defense always get set. His 1 or 2 dribble pull up J is rarely used. He drives into three defenders at the rim far too often. He dribbles and dribbles, then tries to post, then dribbles some more. Teams like Boston/Miami will eat that up every single time. You beat those great defenses with penetration and ball movement, we've done very little of either in this series.

So 6 of 7 playoff games he's shot like crap and has made our offense rather ugly. At the same time, what are our other options? We basically surrounded him with a D-League team last year and this year we're missing three starters with no real backup PG. He is what he is, a top tier second banana. He's not someone you build a championship team around.

We've been a brand new kind of joke the last two years, but we're still a joke. It's never going to change unless we start looking ahead to 2016.


As for Woody, I don't blame him for any of this. He has no prayer, our offense is dreadful, we're out three starters, Miami is doing a world class job of taking away our three point weapons and pretty much all we can do is hope Melo or JR can create for themselves. We have no playmaker and no one to make other players better. People will get on Woody but I'd like to suggestions for our offense rather than just criticizing. I hope these four games don't cost him his job.

[ehh]

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We need to move him. If Orlando can get rid of the worst contract ever Rashard Lewis then the Knicks can move a capable offensive PF in Amare.

We probably can but we're going to have to take on an awful contract in return. Orlando took on Gilbert. I guess we can try to find an awful contract that's a better fit.

Our front office had a great season with Chandler, Novak, JR, Shumpert, etc. It will be very interesting to see if they try to bail on Amare already.

[DiceMan]

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We probably can but we're going to have to take on an awful contract in return. Orlando took on Gilbert. I guess we can try to find an awful contract that's a better fit.

Our front office had a great season with Chandler, Novak, JR, Shumpert, etc. It will be very interesting to see if they try to bail on Amare already.

Yea I'm very curious to see what moves are made in the offseason though I don't expect much unless a trade is made.....the paper is gonna be really thin this year & no 1st rd pick if I'm not mistaking.