The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

[bigeastbumrush]

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I know you guys will probably dismiss it because it's coming from JR but here's what he said:

Asked if Lin's contract could cause a challenging dynamic with his teammates, Smith agreed.
"Without a doubt," he said. "I think some guys take it personal, because they've been doing it longer and haven't received any reward for it yet. I think it's a tough subject to touch on for a lot of guys."

Melo didn't like dealing with Linsanity and all the questions brought his way about who would get the last shot him or Lin...can he come back and adjust to Lin...etc. And he already took a swipe at the "ridiculous" contract knowing full well he doesn't feel that Tyson's $14M/yr is ridiculous.

Felton has been reported as feeling that they brought him back because Lin wouldn't be there.

How can all of this coexist?

I would like to see Lin stay and develop into a really good PG...but I'd rather go with what we got because I don't think he's worth the investment based on Win Now.

Just my opinion.

[ehh]

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^^ Saw one of the beat writers tweet a quote from Melo saying the same thing. It'd apparently be a locker room issue with multiple players.

Sounds like the core of the team and Woody don't want him back.

[NYJets]

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222352/Knicks_Rockets_In_Dispute_Of_When_Lin_Offer_Sheet_Was_Delivered

For awhile the Knicks were acting like a normal franchise. Now we have a guy get a DWI, guys making controversial statements in the media, and a GM hiding from the Rockets just to screw with them.

[CMH]

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap..._Was_Delivered



For awhile the Knicks were acting like a normal franchise. Now we have a guy get a DWI, guys making controversial statements in the media, and a GM hiding from the Rockets just to screw with them.

That whole avoiding the sheet by Grunwald was the last troll of his off-season. I found it hilarious to know the Knicks were making the Rockets run around to deliver paperwork. Seems there should be a more simple solution especially when guys are signing contracts with iPads.

As for Lin, I think no matter how we look at it there will always be two camps: one that wants Lin to stay and the second that doesn't mind if he goes.

We will never know who is really right. My opinion is most of the people that will be upset about Lin not returning (assuming the Knicks don't match) would be those that weren't really Knicks fans to begin with (note keyword: most. I know there are true Knicks fans that want Lin back). I don't mind seeing less wagon riders.

Give us our team back.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Good to know that our stars aren't comfortable having a guy carry a team in their absence that had sucked while they were playing get his money. Awesome.

This guy was dropped into our laps and saved our season. Given that money isn't an issue, I don't understand why they wouldn't match. We spent all that luxury tax money when the team was a bottom dweller and we were shipping off draft picks 6 years in advance for scrubs, but suddenly it would be too much. I will say, if we don't match and he goes to Houston, I hope he sucks and our decision is vindicated. Because if he goes to Houston and outperforms Felton, which I would say is more than likely, there will be a problem.

We'll see. I don't understand why money is the issue. We're ****ed either way. We aren't going to have any money whether we match Lin or not. The bottom line is would you rather have Lin or Felton. If Felton's the guy, I'll support the team anyway. But I swear to God if we get knocked out of the first round of the playoffs again, I don't know what I'll do.

[DieHardYankee26]

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And why the **** is the ad next to quick reply a Congrats Heat ad? do they expect anyone around these parts to even click on that?

[bigeastbumrush]

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Good to know that our stars aren't comfortable having a guy carry a team in their absence that had sucked while they were playing get his money. Awesome.

This guy was dropped into our laps and saved our season. Given that money isn't an issue, I don't understand why they wouldn't match. We spent all that luxury tax money when the team was a bottom dweller and we were shipping off draft picks 6 years in advance for scrubs, but suddenly it would be too much. I will say, if we don't match and he goes to Houston, I hope he sucks and our decision is vindicated. Because if he goes to Houston and outperforms Felton, which I would say is more than likely, there will be a problem.

We'll see. I don't understand why money is the issue. We're ****ed either way. We aren't going to have any money whether we match Lin or not. The bottom line is would you rather have Lin or Felton. If Felton's the guy, I'll support the team anyway. But I swear to God if we get knocked out of the first round of the playoffs again, I don't know what I'll do.

Melo said he wants all players to get paid as much as they can.

And why can't players who busted their *** for years speak their opinion when another player plays 25 games as a professional and gets paid $25M?

We all know what the elephant in the room is.

And as far as on the court...if a coach's job is on the line and all of your star players are injured and can't play and the coach gives you the green light...there are tons of players out there who can perform. JR Smith scored 50 points in China for goodness sakes. Doesn't mean he's an elite player and deserving of max money.

I give Lin credit for taking full advantage of the opportunity that he was given last season. But let's not act like he's worth the dime he's getting.

Novak pretty much came out of nowhere (relatively speaking) and lit the Garden up and led the league in 3 point shooting. Doesn't mean he deserves $14M in one season.

[CMH]

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Good to know that our stars aren't comfortable having a guy carry a team in their absence that had sucked while they were playing get his money. Awesome.

This guy was dropped into our laps and saved our season. Given that money isn't an issue, I don't understand why they wouldn't match. We spent all that luxury tax money when the team was a bottom dweller and we were shipping off draft picks 6 years in advance for scrubs, but suddenly it would be too much. I will say, if we don't match and he goes to Houston, I hope he sucks and our decision is vindicated. Because if he goes to Houston and outperforms Felton, which I would say is more than likely, there will be a problem.

We'll see. I don't understand why money is the issue. We're ****ed either way. We aren't going to have any money whether we match Lin or not. The bottom line is would you rather have Lin or Felton. If Felton's the guy, I'll support the team anyway. But I swear to God if we get knocked out of the first round of the playoffs again, I don't know what I'll do.

Personally, I think Mike Woodson saved the season.

[DieHardYankee26]

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It doesn't matter that Lin is not worth the money that he is getting. We're ****ed either way. If we can't make it past the first round of the playoffs, was Melo worth his contract? Is Amar'e worth his contract? We aren't going to be able to get anyone these next 3 years after this one regardless, and if we don't match Lin we're giving up one of our two assets. If Lin sucks, and he's not worth it he'll join a long list of guys who haven't been worth their contracts in this league. Was Joe Johnson worth his contract with the Hawks? **** no. If the Nets win a title with him as their leading scorer, would he be worth it then?

This is our last opportunity to get anyone for more than the Vet min. or MMLE it would seem. We can't do sign and trades after this year because we'll be over the tax apron either way. Raymond Felton played like hot piss since he's left the Knicks. We think just because he's back he's going to care again?

It's not like Lin is our only unknown. We don't know what Kidd can do for us. What is his purpose if not to tutor Lin? He's really just not that great anymore. Do we know which Amar'e shows up this season, the pre-Carmelo beast or the post-Carmelo wuss? What is Pablo Pepperoni gonna do for us? Will Shump ever be the same again?

I guess my thing is, without Lin we're really hoping that all the chips fall in the right spot, because one injury and we're ****ed.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I hope the Knicks ban this guy's twitter account:

JR Smith @TheRealJRSmith
Lmao y'all act like its my fault if he do or don't come back! Lol like its up to me or something! #nuts

[DieHardYankee26]

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I hope the Knicks ban this guy's twitter account:

I'm starting to think he is legitimately stupid. It's like why would you even respond?

[bigeastbumrush]

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It doesn't matter that Lin is not worth the money that he is getting. We're ****ed either way. If we can't make it past the first round of the playoffs, was Melo worth his contract? Is Amar'e worth his contract? We aren't going to be able to get anyone these next 3 years after this one regardless, and if we don't match Lin we're giving up one of our two assets. If Lin sucks, and he's not worth it he'll join a long list of guys who haven't been worth their contracts in this league. Was Joe Johnson worth his contract with the Hawks? **** no. If the Nets win a title with him as their leading scorer, would he be worth it then?

This is our last opportunity to get anyone for more than the Vet min. or MMLE it would seem. We can't do sign and trades after this year because we'll be over the tax apron either way. Raymond Felton played like hot piss since he's left the Knicks. We think just because he's back he's going to care again?

It's not like Lin is our only unknown. We don't know what Kidd can do for us. What is his purpose if not to tutor Lin? He's really just not that great anymore. Do we know which Amar'e shows up this season, the pre-Carmelo beast or the post-Carmelo wuss? What is Pablo Pepperoni gonna do for us? Will Shump ever be the same again?

I guess my thing is, without Lin we're really hoping that all the chips fall in the right spot, because one injury and we're ****ed.

You're giving Jeremy Lin way too much credit.

And the Joe Johnson stuff is actually appropriate because the same reason the Nets got him is the same reason the Rockets want Lin. They want to sell out games.

Joe Johnson has the single worst contract in the NBA and this is the guy you compare to Lin?

And if Lin doesn't perform it would get ugly in a very nasty way.

[DieHardYankee26]

You're giving Jeremy Lin way too much credit.

And the Joe Johnson stuff is actually appropriate because the same reason the Nets got him is the same reason the Rockets want Lin. They want to sell out games.

Joe Johnson has the single worst contract in the NBA and this is the guy you compare to Lin?

And if Lin doesn't perform it would get ugly in a very nasty way.

Maybe.

Definitely.

I compared them because having terrible contracts is relative. If Lin gets paid 5M the first 2 years and puts up 15 and 6 is he worth that? The 15M is only for the last year. If that year he puts up 16 and 7 and then 14 and 9 in the playoffs and we win the Finals is he worth it? We can deal him as an expiring if he isn't. My point is the money doesn't matter to me. It's not my money, and if the money isn't spent on Lin, it just won't be spent. This is probably our last chance to change the team in any significant way, barring some otherworldly STAT trade, or CP3 acquisition. What does it hurt?

And yes it would. That we agree on. And if Felton doesn't perform, it will most likely be worse as all the Lin fans will crowd the Garden and chant death threats all game. But if he performs well and we actually do something, it'll be worth it.

[bigeastbumrush]

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The contract is worth it if he can play against the best PGs in the NBA and help us get wins.

Felton can because we've seen it.

I have no idea whether or not Lin can because we haven't seen it.

[bigeastbumrush]

And yes it would. That we agree on. And if Felton doesn't perform, it will most likely be worse as all the Lin fans will crowd the Garden and chant death threats all game. But if he performs well and we actually do something, it'll be worth it.

Don't worry. If Lin is not here there won't be any Lin fans back at the Garden.

They'll go back to whatever they used to occupy themselves with during basketball season.


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