The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

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  • djep
    MVP
    • Feb 2003
    • 1128

    #1186
    Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

    Originally posted by Jeffx
    Allow me to rant;

    I look at other front office's and how they build their teams, then I look at the Knicks and I get so frustrated and ticked off. We have three max players who don't fit and one of them is on the downside of his career with no trade value. And we have a meddling idiot for an owner. So how will the Knicks get the pieces necessary to become championship caliber(like in the 90s) and beat Miami? What do I have to look forward to?

    Make me feel optimistic, guys.
    Beating Miami is going to be tough for quite a few years, no doubt. They could very well be what the Bulls were to the 90's Knicks team. We can't worry about them for right now - the focus should be on beating out Boston. Winning the division, getting homecourt in the 1st round and winning one, maybe even two playoff series before you think about facing LeBron is the key, just like it was in the 90's with Jordan. Hell, let's win just one playoff series before we even think about championship.

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    • Vast
      MVP
      • Sep 2003
      • 4015

      #1187
      Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

      Originally posted by Jeffx
      Allow me to rant;

      I look at other front office's and how they build their teams, then I look at the Knicks and I get so frustrated and ticked off. We have three max players who don't fit and one of them is on the downside of his career with no trade value. And we have a meddling idiot for an owner. So how will the Knicks get the pieces necessary to become championship caliber(like in the 90s) and beat Miami? What do I have to look forward to?

      Make me feel optimistic, guys.
      The owner didn't interfere with Grunwald this season. And I liked the moves he made. So far Isiah Thomas is nowhere to be found, so thank god for that.

      If we can stay healthy and add some outside shooting(nash?), with a full training camp under a legit coach(Woodson). Who knows what we can do.
      "I'm addicted to Video Games, and i chase it with a little OS." -Winston Churchill

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      • NYJets
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jul 2002
        • 18637

        #1188
        Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

        We still haven't seen what this team is fully capable of. Amare and Melo both missed significant time this year. So did Lin. Because of the injuries and the lockout, I don't think Amare and Melo have even played a full season's worth of games together yet. And much less than that with Chandler.

        I'm looking forward to training camp with everyone healthy except Shumpert, a coach who can coach defense, and hopefully one more significant piece still to come.

        We are way behind Miami. But with Boston most likely breaking things up, and Rose hurt, the rest of the conference is wide open. Win the division, get homecourt, experience some playoff success should be the goal. And after that, you never know.
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        • bigeastbumrush
          My Momma's Son
          • Feb 2003
          • 19245

          #1189
          Originally posted by Jeffx
          Allow me to rant;

          I look at other front office's and how they build their teams, then I look at the Knicks and I get so frustrated and ticked off. We have three max players who don't fit and one of them is on the downside of his career with no trade value. And we have a meddling idiot for an owner. So how will the Knicks get the pieces necessary to become championship caliber(like in the 90s) and beat Miami? What do I have to look forward to?

          Make me feel optimistic, guys.
          We have the DPOY. A promising young PG. The best 3 point shooter in the league.

          Carmelo needs to see how well-rounded LeBron has expanded his game. Playing defense every possession. Sharing the ball. Rebounding.

          And most importantly...being a leader. The leader.

          The days of gunning for 30 points should be over. He has to lead the team.

          Hopefully a no nonsense coach like Woodson can get him to see the big picture.

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          • djep
            MVP
            • Feb 2003
            • 1128

            #1190
            Something else that might make you feel better. Vegas has the early odds at 12-1 for a Knick championship next season....5th best. Cheer up...this arbitration victory is the best win in June the Knicks have had in a decade

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            • bigfnjoe96
              Hall Of Fame
              • Feb 2004
              • 11410

              #1191
              As bigeastbumrush said, a full training camp should go a long way.The hearing going our way definitely is a good thing. Now the tricky part begins for grunwald.

              Do we use the Full MLE (5 mil) & become restricted for this season due to hitting the Tax. Apron Threshold or use the Mini MLE (3 mil) & keep our flexibility for the season.

              Also JR has until Tuesday to inform the Knicks if he's gonna opt In/Out.

              Hopefully JR opt's-In keeping the good news going

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              • CMH
                Making you famous
                • Oct 2002
                • 26203

                #1192
                Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

                Originally posted by bigfnjoe96

                Also JR has until Tuesday to inform the Knicks if he's gonna opt In/Out.

                Hopefully JR opt's-In keeping the good news going

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                As wild as JR is, I'd love him back. I still think the Knicks bench with Smith and Novak is better than the shooters Miami has. Knicks probably do need a reliable big man off the bench too.
                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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                • ehh
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 28962

                  #1193
                  Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

                  He drove me crazy down the stretch of the season. Dribble a bunch without going anywhere and then shoot a fadeaway 17-20 footer. Ugh, but he gives us what we need off the bench. I hope he reups.
                  "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

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                  • bigeastbumrush
                    My Momma's Son
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 19245

                    #1194
                    Originally posted by CMH
                    As wild as JR is, I'd love him back. I still think the Knicks bench with Smith and Novak is better than the shooters Miami has. Knicks probably do need a reliable big man off the bench too.
                    Might have to pencil him as a starter.

                    Does anyone know their feelings on Landry?

                    I personally hope Fields has played his last game in a Knicks uni.

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                    • ehh
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 28962

                      #1195
                      Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

                      I don't have anything against him, he should just be the 8-9th man, not our starting SG.
                      "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                      "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                      • bigeastbumrush
                        My Momma's Son
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 19245

                        #1196
                        We don't have a luxury at SG.

                        JR is simply more productive than Fields.

                        Unless they bring in another SG.

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                        • bigfnjoe96
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 11410

                          #1197
                          As per Howard Beck JR Smith will opt-out. Looking for a longer term deal with the Knicks.

                          This should be interesting

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                          • NYJets
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 18637

                            #1198
                            Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

                            So I guess we can offer him a deal starting at 120% of what he made last year, without touching the mid level.

                            Fine with me.
                            Originally posted by Jay Bilas
                            The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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                            • bigfnjoe96
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 11410

                              #1199
                              Re: The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

                              Originally posted by NYJets
                              So I guess we can offer him a deal starting at 120% of what he made last year, without touching the mid level.

                              Fine with me.
                              That's correct. We would offer JR our Non-Bird Exception. Still leaving MLE & BAE open for other players

                              Smith Declines Option Year, Could Re-Sign with Knicks
                              By HOWARD BECK

                              Barton Silverman/The New York Times
                              J.R. Smith may yet remain a Knick.
                              J.R. Smith will decline his Knicks contract option on Tuesday, but he still hopes to return to the team on a long-term deal, according to a person familiar with the contract negotiations.

                              Smith’s option for next season is worth $2.4 million. By declining it, he would be eligible for a new starting salary of $2.8 million, or about $12.2 million over four years.

                              Declining the option would make Smith an unrestricted free agent on July 1. Rival teams could offer a much higher starting salary, either with cap room or by using the mid-level exception, which starts at $5 million.

                              Smith averaged 12.5 points, 3.9 rebounds and 2.4 assists for the Knicks after joining them in February, following a stint in China. He averaged 12.2 points while shooting just .316 from the field in the Knicks’ first-round playoff loss to the Miami Heat.

                              http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... basketball

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                              • CMH
                                Making you famous
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 26203

                                #1200
                                There should be a degree for NBA Contracts.


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                                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                                "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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