7 Foot Valuev destroys Beck

[thelwig14]

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This cannot be a real picture.

His forehead is photoshopped. The only way it is real is if his forehead was swollen after a fight but the swollen bumps are not realistic. Either way, he is a funny looking dude.

[Scottdau]

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Thanks for the video's.

I knew Etienne fought Tyson, but I didn't know he took a dive. Didn't see that fight.

And damn....Valuev got POUNDED by Bidenko and kept on going. He really took some good clean shots to the head. Of course his defense could use some work, but it looks like that was an old fight and he's since improved.

Yeah I remember when Tyson fought Bruno, man that guy tower over Mike and Mike whip his *** big time! lol. This guy seems Ok, but will he be able to last in the later rounds!

[Scottdau]

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[QUOTE=aholbert32]

Yeah he does but even in his prime he didnt knock people out with shots that grazed his opponent. I remember watching it and saying at the time that Clifford was just there to collect a check and thats what he did.

yeah I felt that too! All the knock outs that I saw of Tyson were soild shots!

[thelwig14]

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Yeah I remember when Tyson fought Bruno, man that guy tower over Mike and Mike whip his *** big time! lol. This guy seems Ok, but will he be able to last in the later rounds!

Bruno actually rocked Tyson a few times. He just could not keep it up.

[Scottdau]

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Bruno actually rocked Tyson a few times. He just could not keep it up.

I kind of remember some shot, but not to many! But I could be wrong!

[thelwig14]

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Just rewatched the fight and it is a lot closer than people realize (Bruno I, not II). Bruno was dropped in the first round (off balance knockdown) but Bruno caught Tyson twice in the first that put him off balance. Tyson was somewhat close to going down, but Bruno was just too mechanical to follow up. Tyson was definitely hurt because the space between him and Bruno increased dramatically in the second round and Bruno landed some solid lefts in the round. The gap closed a little every round and Bruno started to go into survival mode in the 4th. From a warrior standpoint, it took everything Tyson had to stop Bruno in the 5th and he still could not put him down. Steele had to stop it with Bruno standing against the ropes.

On a side note, I think Sugar Ray must have stopped snorting the month prior of the telecast. Probably the best he has ever sounded.

[Scottdau]

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Just rewatched the fight and it is a lot closer than people realize (Bruno I, not II). Bruno was dropped in the first round (off balance knockdown) but Bruno caught Tyson twice in the first that put him off balance. Tyson was somewhat close to going down, but Bruno was just too mechanical to follow up. Tyson was definitely hurt because the space between him and Bruno increased dramatically in the second round and Bruno landed some solid lefts in the round. The gap closed a little every round and Bruno started to go into survival mode in the 4th. From a warrior standpoint, it took everything Tyson had to stop Bruno in the 5th and he still could not put him down. Steele had to stop it with Bruno standing against the ropes.

On a side note, I think Sugar Ray must have stopped snorting the month prior of the telecast. Probably the best he has ever sounded.

Yeah you are probably right, but the fact is there is no way in hell Bruno at that size advantage should have lost! But Tyson was an animal! I am not saying he was the greatest, but in my time Tyson was something to watch!

[thelwig14]

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He followed the "gameplan" to embarrass Tyson, but he was just too mechanical and plodding. He had a great opportunity in the second to establish a jab because Tyson was hesitant of his power, but Bruno blew it. If he had, it could have been really interesting. He just blew it.

[Scottdau]

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He followed the "gameplan" to embarrass Tyson, but he was just too mechanical and plodding. He had a great opportunity in the second to establish a jab because Tyson was hesitant of his power, but Bruno blew it. If he had, it could have been really interesting. He just blew it.

game plans or not Tyson would have destroy him eventually! When Tyson made contact it is over. Just like foremen! They punch really hard lol. I am not saying he is greatest, but in my time his was. He had no technique he was a straight brawler! I don't think Bruno could take hits like that and survive in later round!

[thelwig14]

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game plans or not Tyson would have destroy him eventually! When Tyson made contact it is over. Just like foremen! They punch really hard lol. I am not saying he is greatest, but in my time his was. He had no technique he was a straight brawler! I don't think Bruno could take hits like that and survive in later round!

Fighters proved they could survive a "prime" Tyson (ie Green, Tillis, etc.), but the division at the time was so devoid of anyone that could survive and have sort of ability to finish until Buster. Foreman (the 70's George, not the handpicked later version) was a much better fighter/boxer/tactician/whatever then Tyson ever was. To this day, I still believe if he would have fought Ali in the states, Foreman would have won.

[Scottdau]

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Fighters proved they could survive a "prime" Tyson (ie Green, Tillis, etc.), but the division at the time was so devoid of anyone that could survive and have sort of ability to finish until Buster. Foreman (the 70's George, not the handpicked later version) was a much better fighter/boxer/tactician/whatever then Tyson ever was. To this day, I still believe if he would have fought Ali in the states, Foreman would have won.

yeah, but Tyson in the fight that matter destroy is opponents! Now Buster was a difference story, he took him for granted and got his *** kick! That was the beginning of the down fall for Tyson! Any ways back on this 7 foot cat! He is one ugly guy! But if he is any good i can see him giving some guys trouble!

[Money99]

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[QUOTE=aholbert32]

Yeah he does but even in his prime he didnt knock people out with shots that grazed his opponent. I remember watching it and saying at the time that Clifford was just there to collect a check and thats what he did.

I admit that Etienne looked like he wasn't that hurt but I don't know if he took a dive. His leg snapped back pretty realistically when he went down from that shot.
If anything, I think Etienne got caught off balance after getting grazed from Tyson and thought it was easier to sit on the canvas than take further potential damage.

Fighters proved they could survive a "prime" Tyson (ie Green, Tillis, etc.), but the division at the time was so devoid of anyone that could survive and have sort of ability to finish until Buster. Foreman (the 70's George, not the handpicked later version) was a much better fighter/boxer/tactician/whatever then Tyson ever was. To this day, I still believe if he would have fought Ali in the states, Foreman would have won.

I can't disagree more. Tyson was a very tactical fighter when he was with Cus and Rooney. For a guy that size he was able to use a very effective jab. His timing, head movement, foot movement, hand speed and combos were top notch. Watch some of his earlier fights and you can see all of this. The way he could bob and weave and use his jab to get into close quarters was amazing. And then he'd fire off a 4-6 punch combo - which is unheard of in the heavyweight div.
And Foreman was anything but tactical. He threw his right hand from the back bleachers, basically telegraphing each punch. Watch his Lyle fight. He got floored multiple times. He was basically a prodder with a great chin and a tremendous punch.

People seem to forget that at one time Ring magazine had Tyson ranked #1 for power, defense and hand speed. And that was pound-for-pound.
I know the division in the 80's was really bad. But there are some experts that think it wasn't as bad as we now think. They feel that Tyson was just that good and made many of the fighters of that time look like Tomato Cans.
Tyson whalloped an older Larry Holmes. That was the same Larry Holmes that would return to the ring years later, much older and slower, and took a prime Evander Holyfield the distance without touching the canvas once.

Now, if you're talking Post-Rooney Tyson then yes, he wasn't very good technically. He head hunted and looked for one shot. But I don't know if anyone can deny the obvious that the Tyson during the Cus/Rooney era was a completely different fighter from the post-Rooney era.

Tyson's biggest limitations were his mental instability and fear. When he was with Rooney and co. he still had heart. He didn't back down from guys when they hit him. Tucker lifted him off the canvas in the 1st round and Tyson just regrouped and barreled back in.
And while he did have some difficulty with bigger, slicker boxers he still found ways to outwork them.
It's been said a thousand times and this dead horse has been beaten into dust, but Tyson with his Catskill crew would have gone down as perhaps the greatest heavyweight champion of all time. It was that emotional support group that kept his one weakness in check.
But alas that didn't happen and history has already been written.

Back to Valuev. He is a very intersting fighter. Like someone said his size alone makes his fights entertaining. And he did beat Ruiz. I can't stand Ruiz. I think he's one of the reasons why boxing is in the toilet right now. But he was tough to beat (more because he was allowed to use illegal tactics every fight) and Valeuv did it.
I think a bout against Wlad Klitscho would be very intersting.