Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

[Complex]

I want to see what arguments you guys can come up with.

I honestly belive he deserves to be in the conversation. I put him ahead of Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns. At a catch weight of 150 or so, I think he gives Hagler an L too.

[koolbubbaice]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

I want to see what arguments you guys can come up with.

I honestly belive he deserves to be in the conversation. I put him ahead of Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns. At a catch weight of 150 or so, I think he gives Hagler an L too.

Hearns would abuse him at 147..

[JayBee74]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Hearns would abuse him at 147..

The Hit Man would of snapped his head off at 147. In fact Floyd probably would have ducked him. Don't get to fired up over Floyd's victories of an aged Oscar and a blown up overrated welter in Hatton.

[Complex]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

The Hit Man would of snapped his head off at 147. In fact Floyd probably would have ducked him. Don't get to fired up over Floyd's victories of an aged Oscar and a blown up overrated welter in Hatton.

Hearns would abuse him at 147..

Do not be so sure. While I truly believe that Hagler was robbed in the Sugar Ray fight, Ray did do enough to steal rounds (at least in the judges eyes) from Hagler.

Are you saying that Floyd could not outbox Hagler for 7 of 12 rounds and get a decision? I am not saying that Floyd dominates him, but he could work the ring for 12 rounds and get a decision. I put the catch weight cause Hagler fought his whole career at middle.

[DTX3]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

I want to see Cotto-Mayweather before calling him one of the GOATs.

[marq]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Mayweather is the Truth. No matter who he beats, there will always be some excuse about the other fighter. With that being said, I do not see him beating a prime Sugar Ray Leonard. With the exception of losing a very close decision against an all time great (Duran) after he abandoned his gameplan, his only losses occurred when he was well past his prime. Besides, SRL already beat Sr. LOL

[Complex]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Mayweather is the Truth. No matter who he beats, there will always be some excuse about the other fighter. With that being said, I do not see him beating a prime Sugar Ray Leonard. With the exception of losing a very close decision against an all time great (Duran) after he abandoned his gameplan, his only losses occurred when he was well past his prime. Besides, SRL already beat Sr. LOL

But he lost, that has to be noted. Why or how is not of concern. What makes Floyd unique is the age he started to beat top competition. Very early in his career he was up against stiff competition. He has only improved with age. To be honest I am not sure what you would call Floyd's prime.

[allBthere]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Sugar Ray Robinson would have knocked the crap out of him.

[khujo711]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

To be honest I am not sure what you would call Floyd's prime.

I'd say his prime was between 2001-2002.

This is when he ran through
Chico
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Castillo twice

Then he started to move up and didn't really fight anyone good (other than good names)at 140-147. Good to see him get paid for being the best, but I wish he would have stayed at 135, where he could still punch with some power.

[khujo711]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Sugar Ray Robinson would have knocked the crap out of him.

I would sure hope so, he never fought below 160.

[allBthere]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

I would sure hope so, he never fought below 160.

he was a lightweight, welterweight, and middleweight meaning he fought plenty under 160. In fact the majority of his truly incredible career.

[Dipstick]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

I would sure hope so, he never fought below 160.

He was the Welterweight champion for 5 years

[thelwig14]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Ummmm, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, and Duran would all beat Mayweather.

Unfortunately until PBF steps out of his comfort zone and truly faces a stern test from a real fighter in their natural weight class, he will never achieve mention of GOAT status. He will just only be great.

[pk500]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Sugar Ray Robinson would have knocked the crap out of him.

Thank you. The greatest pound-for-pound fighter of all time. End of story.

Take care,
PK

[Complex]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Ummmm, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, and Duran would all beat Mayweather.

Unfortunately until PBF steps out of his comfort zone and truly faces a stern test from a real fighter in their natural weight class, he will never achieve mention of GOAT status. He will just only be great.

For years folks have named fighters that were supposed to beat Floyd. its easy to sit back now and name guys as 'subpar' after he walks through him. Man of his opponents have excellent records and are well known. But as soon as they lose, we right them off as whack.

RJJ had the same issue for years he killed his opposition and made it look easy. Its not because the talent he faced was awful, its because he as that good.

Floyd is that good, and not because he is some super human freak of nature. It is that I have not seen a fighter in my lifetime that prepares for a fight like him. He talks big, which I think is a front, but he prepares twice as hard as the next guy.

Boxing is a sport where speed kills and the basics will keep you in the fight. Floyd has mastered the basics. He parrys for the whole fight, he jabs for the whole fight, he moves for the whole fight, he stays in position to counter all the time. He doenst take many flush shots. He is an excellent fighter, make no mistake.