Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

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Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

Williams' loss to Quintanta has no bearing on Cotto.

Williams looked like a mere amateur. It was my first time seeing him and it looked like his very first fight to me.

His cutman couldn't even stop his cuts from bleeding. Did you see how he sent him out for the last round?

It actually does, Cotto pretty much destroyed Quintana in about half a round. Quintana upped his stock by knocking off a guy that many belived could challenge Floyd for the crown. That same guy was beaten to the point that he looked a child in the ring with a Marine.

[pk500]

Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

Williams loss to Quintana only means that Cotto is better than some thought. Means nothing for Floyd.

Say what? After Williams' loss, Cotto stands alone as the No. 1 contender in the welterweight division. Why wouldn't he be the next opponent for Mayweather?

Oh, yeah, that's right: PBF can make much more coin by fighting De La Hoya -- who is more washed up than Mosley -- instead of cementing his legend by taking on the top contenders in the division. It's about the money first for Mayweather.

Take care,
PK

[fistofrage]

Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

Say what? After Williams' loss, Cotto stands alone as the No. 1 contender in the welterweight division. Why wouldn't he be the next opponent for Mayweather?

Oh, yeah, that's right: PBF can make much more coin by fighting De La Hoya -- who is more washed up than Mosley -- instead of cementing his legend by taking on the top contenders in the division. It's about the money first for Mayweather.

Take care,
PK

Of course its about the money first with Floyd. That's why he's Floyd "money" Mayweather. And if anyone thinks that his upcoming fight with DLH is actually a fight instead of a staged exhibition with a huge purse, then I don't know what to tell you. Oscar will take a dive in about the 9th round. Floyd needs the KO to help build his cred with masses who want to see Floyd KO people.

***For the record, the Hatton fight was straight up. Floyd put on a clinic. But this fight with DLH wreaks on something fishy.

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Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

Man...Yall crazy about de la hoya taking a dive, I think if he can hit mayweather with flush punches starting with that vicious jab, he has a chance. He doesn't need to brawl to win yall better believe it. I've dissected this fight since it happened and Oscars jab( which popped Mayweathers head back ) everytime it landed... hurt mayweather. I'm a Huge Mayweather fan but to be realistic, he was givin Floyd some go and who can u say did that before him, why yall hatin on de la hoya? I know alot of people who think Floyd lost that fight! I dont think so but it was definitely a game of chess with floyd looking to avoid oscars famous left hook that could drop anybody. I Love boxing, sometimes I think its shady but I know Oscars believes he can win, thats why he took a tune up fight to prepare. Other than the financial rewards of fighting oscar again... I didnt like this decision by floyd. Plus floyd sr. is back in oscars corner... he taught floyd that elusive shoulder roll Im sure he knows how to break it down. I think this fight is for money and pride for floyd because the first fight was a lil controversial and I think his last fight against hatton will make him hungry to try to knock oscar out, which could backfire. Just looking at the big picture people.

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Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

I think Williams proved he had a good jaw he took a lot of power shots to the head from Quintana. He just looked really bad defensively.

Williams has a GREAT jaw.

His problem is that he PROVES it - over and over and over again.

He has virtually no defense, and when he fights lazily like he did against Quintana, he has virtually no offense either...

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Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

Of course its about the money first with Floyd. That's why he's Floyd "money" Mayweather. And if anyone thinks that his upcoming fight with DLH is actually a fight instead of a staged exhibition with a huge purse, then I don't know what to tell you. Oscar will take a dive in about the 9th round. Floyd needs the KO to help build his cred with masses who want to see Floyd KO people.

***For the record, the Hatton fight was straight up. Floyd put on a clinic. But this fight with DLH wreaks on something fishy.

LOL...What? A dive? Please tell me you are kidding. Why would DLH take a dive? He doesnt promote Floyd so it doesnt help him to build Floyd's cred. What would help him is beating Floyd and having a good fight to setup a huge third fight.

A dive? Thats one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this site.

[aholbert32]

Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

Say what? After Williams' loss, Cotto stands alone as the No. 1 contender in the welterweight division. Why wouldn't he be the next opponent for Mayweather?

Oh, yeah, that's right: PBF can make much more coin by fighting De La Hoya -- who is more washed up than Mosley -- instead of cementing his legend by taking on the top contenders in the division. It's about the money first for Mayweather.

Take care,
PK

I love Cotto (I'm going to the Gomez fight) but I dont see any reason why they should rush this fight. Cotto's name isnt big enough yet outside of hardcore boxing fans and casual boxing fans are where the big money is generated. Casual fans dont really know Cotto yet.

I think if you asked Cotto, Bob Arum or Mayweather they would agree that taking a year to build up Cotto and have him work on his english so that he can help with the promotion. I saw Cotto on FNF before the Mosley fight and it was painful watching him struggle with the language and try to promote the fight. 2009 is perfect for this fight.

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Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

All good points, Aaron. I forgot about Cotto's appearance on FNF. Sitting in the same studio with the effusive, telegenic Mosley only exacerbated Cotto's problems with English. But Cotto's performance with English that night wasn't as painful as Ibragimov's last month in studio on FNF. That was brutal!

Did anyone watch Andre Berto vs. Michel Trabant last Saturday? Trabant is a tomato can, but Berto looked good. The kid has super-quick hands, good power and stalks hurting opponents to finish them.

Berto could be a rising contender in the welterweight division by the end of this year. I've enjoyed watching him on FNF in the past.

Take care,
PK

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Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

LOL...What? A dive? Please tell me you are kidding. Why would DLH take a dive? He doesnt promote Floyd so it doesnt help him to build Floyd's cred. What would help him is beating Floyd and having a good fight to setup a huge third fight.

A dive? Thats one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this site.

Mark my words, this is nothing more than a high priced exhibition. No chance Floyd loses or even is in danger of getting hurt.

[aholbert32]

Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

All good points, Aaron. I forgot about Cotto's appearance on FNF. Sitting in the same studio with the effusive, telegenic Mosley only exacerbated Cotto's problems with English.

Did anyone watch Andre Berto vs. Trabant last Saturday? Trabant is a tomato can, but Berto looked good. The kid has super-quick hands, good power and stalks hurt opponents to finish them.

Berto could be a rising contender in the welterweight division by the end of this year. I've enjoyed watching him on FNF in the past.

Take care,
PK

Berto looked good. I worry about his defense at times but he looks like a future champ. Its time for him to step up imo. I would love to see him against a Quintana or a Judah later this year.

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Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

Mark my words, this is nothing more than a high priced exhibition. No chance Floyd loses or even is in danger of getting hurt.

Thats totally different than someone taking a dive and you really arent giving me a reason why Oscar would take a dive or not try his hardest to win the fight. Oscar has pride and im sure doesnt want get beat twice. I've never seen Oscar do anything but try his hardest to win a fight in his career.

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Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

Thats totally different than someone taking a dive and you really arent giving me a reason why Oscar would take a dive or not try his hardest to win the fight. Oscar has pride and im sure doesnt want get beat twice. I've never seen Oscar do anything but try his hardest to win a fight in his career.

You watched Oscar fight Hopkins and can honestly say he tried his hardest to win that fight?

I don't think Oscar tried his hardest to win the first fight with Floyd. He was squared up numerous times and didn't throw punches. He knows you can't beat Floyd by counter punching so I have no idea what he was doing. His best chance is to get his jab off first and work from there. He did well enough to secure a rematch, which was more money.

I guess it depends on who initiated the talks on getting this fight going. If Floyd really wanted to retire and Oscar brought an offer he couldn't refuse to the table, then I would say that Oscar wouldn't be above giving Floyd a scenario where they both get rich and Floyd comes out looking better to the public. The one thing that gets to PBF is that he is not considered the people's champion. KO'ing DLH would be one step in that direction.

You are right, the best money making scenario is for a close or controversial DLH win. But thats not going to happen, Floyd has too much pride to take a loss here.

[Complex]

Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

Say what? After Williams' loss, Cotto stands alone as the No. 1 contender in the welterweight division. Why wouldn't he be the next opponent for Mayweather?

Oh, yeah, that's right: PBF can make much more coin by fighting De La Hoya -- who is more washed up than Mosley -- instead of cementing his legend by taking on the top contenders in the division. It's about the money first for Mayweather.

Take care,
PK

I did not say that Cotto was not the next contender for Floyd. I am saying that the loss by Williams adds to Cotto b/c he beat the guy that beat Williams. Williams was highly regarded prior to this loss as the guy to beat Floyd.

NewsFlash - Floyd's legacy is already cemented.

[allBthere]

Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

NewsFlash - Floyd's legacy is already cemented.

yeah, as having the mind of a child

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Re: Carlos Quintana outpoints Paul Williams

Berto looked good. I worry about his defense at times but he looks like a future champ. Its time for him to step up imo. I would love to see him against a Quintana or a Judah later this year.

I would like to see those fights, but I don't know if Berto is ready. So far he has shown good power but his skill set is still limited. He has short arms and little to no head movement. He gets hit way too much for my liking and a guy like Judah (even at this stage) could take down Berto, so could Quintana. But to your point we will never know until we see him in with some better comp.