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  • Lucky Lacy
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    • Mar 2006
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    #31
    Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

    How could there be anything wrong with more options in any game? I will be buying ufc because I do not like bein given the middle finger for a control scheme I choose to use. The lobby system was smart but ea will not implement it.
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    • Joey P
      Banned
      • Aug 2008
      • 686

      #32
      Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

      Originally posted by Lucky Lacy
      How could there be anything wrong with more options in any game? I will be buying ufc because I do not like bein given the middle finger for a control scheme I choose to use. The lobby system was smart but ea will not implement it.
      Wow...Im so lost. Guys wanted a SIM boxing game and now they are griping.

      How is boxing with buttons sim?

      I relate this to Street Fighter IV, now if it was easy to throw fireballs with the buttons, how fun would that game be? That game has a VERY STEEP learning curve and not everyone can play and enjoy it.

      Same with FN4, people dont wanna learn, they want too many pick up and play games...but at the same time, they want it to be sim.

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      • nickelplaydit
        Rookie
        • Sep 2008
        • 93

        #33
        Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

        Originally posted by Joey P
        Wow...Im so lost. Guys wanted a SIM boxing game and now they are griping.

        How is boxing with buttons sim?

        I relate this to Street Fighter IV, now if it was easy to throw fireballs with the buttons, how fun would that game be? That game has a VERY STEEP learning curve and not everyone can play and enjoy it.

        Same with FN4, people dont wanna learn, they want too many pick up and play games...but at the same time, they want it to be sim.

        and heres the funny part...they'll be using that same right stick in UFC....i dont get it either....

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        • kbmnm247
          Rookie
          • Nov 2003
          • 456

          #34
          Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

          Originally posted by noles_fan21
          WHAT U BE FINE IF EA SCRAPED TPC FOR FNR4 N SAID BUTTONS ONLY AND DIDN'T GIVE U (TPC GUYS) A OPTION TO SWITCH TO TPC HOW WOULD U TAKE IT THATS ALL IM SAYIN GIVE US A OPTION OR FOR ONLINE ONLY USE TPC SIMPLE EA
          woah , enough with the caps

          if they took out TPC from R5 I would be disappointed they removed a great innovative feature that was perfect for a boxing game. However I would still be happy with FN because it is a great game, and I would be just as good if not better with the buttons.

          What reason could you possibly have to complain about the buttons other than it makes the game easier for newbs to win at?

          Buttons in FN are cheap. The game was made FOR the analog punching, buttons were added for little kids.

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          • DONF
            Banned
            • Aug 2003
            • 547

            #35
            Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

            Originally posted by Darxide
            Control schemes for ANY game just needs to be two things: Simple and intuitive. TPC is neither. The fact that you have to learn a "sweet spot" for something as simple as throwing a hook without fail is proof that it isn't.

            Secondly, TPC offers no advantages over the buttons. Why would anyone want to use an inferior control scheme? TPC isn't simulative of throw a real punch, that's ridiculous. TPC is a left from EA's right analog control craze from years ago. It's the Fight Night equivalent of Madden's vision cone. It was a gimmick that only gave gamers one more thing to think about in an already complex and fast game. Same with TPC. It's not like when Tiger Woods went to the analog scheme- that actually had an advantage over the 3 button presses. And you know what? They still gave gamers to option to use the buttons.

            TPC would be great if it was exactly that- if the punch motion began when you pressed the stick to begin the input motion, it would be better and more accurate.

            I've already gotten used to TPC, and it's better in Round 4 than in previous games, but I'll never be a fan of it until it becomes better than the buttons outright, from an input accuracy standpoint.

            Very Well said!! I agree with you 100%!

            I actually dropped my hold on the game. I tried to play the demo often but as a true fan of the sweet science not being able to time and throw what I need at the time is str8 garbage. This will not be a sim game based on TPC .

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            • DONF
              Banned
              • Aug 2003
              • 547

              #36
              Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

              Originally posted by Joey P
              Wow...Im so lost. Guys wanted a SIM boxing game and now they are griping.

              How is boxing with buttons sim?

              I relate this to Street Fighter IV, now if it was easy to throw fireballs with the buttons, how fun would that game be? That game has a VERY STEEP learning curve and not everyone can play and enjoy it.

              Same with FN4, people dont wanna learn, they want too many pick up and play games...but at the same time, they want it to be sim.
              I am confused??? What does sim have to do with the actual use of a controller? It is the gameplay that determines sim. So taking the buttons away and forcing the use of the stick is not MORE SIM/ SIM.

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              • Joey P
                Banned
                • Aug 2008
                • 686

                #37
                Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

                Originally posted by DONF
                I am confused??? What does sim have to do with the actual use of a controller? It is the gameplay that determines sim. So taking the buttons away and forcing the use of the stick is not MORE SIM/ SIM.
                What reason could you possibly have to complain about the buttons other than it makes the game easier for newbs to win at?

                Gameplay mixed with the learning of KNOWING how and WHEN to throw each punch makes for a sim experience. Buttons aren't sim, no matter how sim a person claims to be, IMO.

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                • kwas676
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 520

                  #38
                  Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

                  Originally posted by DONF
                  I am confused??? What does sim have to do with the actual use of a controller? It is the gameplay that determines sim. So taking the buttons away and forcing the use of the stick is not MORE SIM/ SIM.
                  People need to stop droping the sim word when it comes to the contollers tpc or button its just personal opinon.

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                  • DONF
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 547

                    #39
                    Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

                    Originally posted by Joey P
                    What reason could you possibly have to complain about the buttons other than it makes the game easier for newbs to win at?

                    Gameplay mixed with the learning of KNOWING how and WHEN to throw each punch makes for a sim experience. Buttons aren't sim, no matter how sim a person claims to be, IMO.
                    So your logic is, due to the buttons a person will have a better chance of winning??? But, I guess if you are a champion of TPC it would not make difference what your opponent uses??? All you are speaking of is performance. Sim has nothing to do with it. Sim is gameplay and the nature of the users. I could make a case the TPC is not sim if you like???? With TPC you can actually throw faster combinations than with the buttons, therefore lending the upperhand to the person who has mastered TPC!!!!

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                    • eyeknowzz
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 147

                      #40
                      Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

                      Originally posted by Darxide
                      Control schemes for ANY game just needs to be two things: Simple and intuitive. TPC is neither. The fact that you have to learn a "sweet spot" for something as simple as throwing a hook without fail is proof that it isn't.

                      Secondly, TPC offers no advantages over the buttons. Why would anyone want to use an inferior control scheme? TPC isn't simulative of throw a real punch, that's ridiculous. TPC is a left from EA's right analog control craze from years ago. It's the Fight Night equivalent of Madden's vision cone. It was a gimmick that only gave gamers one more thing to think about in an already complex and fast game. Same with TPC. It's not like when Tiger Woods went to the analog scheme- that actually had an advantage over the 3 button presses. And you know what? They still gave gamers to option to use the buttons.

                      TPC would be great if it was exactly that- if the punch motion began when you pressed the stick to begin the input motion, it would be better and more accurate.

                      I've already gotten used to TPC, and it's better in Round 4 than in previous games, but I'll never be a fan of it until it becomes better than the buttons outright, from an input accuracy standpoint.
                      Best post ever IMO. I won't knock anyone that likes TPC but please don't try arguing that it's somehow sim because buttons aren't being used.

                      Like I said in other posts I think EA needs to add the button option back in the game. I've been at this demo since Thursday and I'm about done with it because of the controls. For me TPC is anything but natural and intuitive.

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                      • ComfortablyLomb
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 3548

                        #41
                        Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

                        ...how is boxing with buttons sim?

                        Okay.

                        How about...

                        How is boxing with quirky, arbitrary, and gimmicky stick controls sim?

                        EA needs to get over its insistance on gamers playing their games exactly as some guy at EA intended.

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                        • nickelplaydit
                          Rookie
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 93

                          #42
                          Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

                          Originally posted by DONF
                          So your logic is, due to the buttons a person will have a better chance of winning??? But, I guess if you are a champion of TPC it would not make difference what your opponent uses??? All you are speaking of is performance. Sim has nothing to do with it. Sim is gameplay and the nature of the users. I could make a case the TPC is not sim if you like???? With TPC you can actually throw faster combinations than with the buttons, therefore lending the upperhand to the person who has mastered TPC!!!!
                          Aye y'all......anyone who has played FN3 knows the difference btwn using the buttons and the analog sticks ..anyone that wants to act blind like it doesnt make a difference in the controls is in terrible denial....

                          the buttons were the cheese..and online it was terrible...even the most skillful analog players (including myself) had to play around the constant pressing which inputs and moves quicker than the more real like stick scroll...

                          i just think its a cop out and people are just releasing steam on something they can get over with if they gave it a chance...

                          and though i do believe that there should be a button option i think it should be only 4 the easy gamers....they really made the new controls easier...the only arc motion you really make are mostly head shots...you'll make mistakes...you prolly did it with the buttons too..but you kept learning and BOOM!....you fell in love with the game

                          im not flaming up.... but im listening to folk and wondering ....why?

                          i hope that means only the real players will be online..
                          Last edited by nickelplaydit; 05-18-2009, 06:07 PM.

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                          • M.I.M.L.
                            Banned
                            • May 2006
                            • 330

                            #43
                            Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

                            the buttons are the better option, u are not less skilled just becasue u know how to use buttons

                            i have gotten whooped with analog users while they were using buttons, so there is no validity to the point u analog lovers are making

                            if i want to do a punch i want to do that punch

                            lol

                            imagine being in floyd mayweathers body

                            "he put his hands dow, hmmm yeah, time to throw my fierce right hook right to his temple" *proceeds to throw punch* "why the hell did i throw a uppercut to his kneecap??"

                            that is tpc in a nutshell

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                            • Joey P
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 686

                              #44
                              Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

                              Originally posted by M.I.M.L.

                              "he put his hands dow, hmmm yeah, time to throw my fierce right hook right to his temple" *proceeds to throw punch* "why the hell did i throw a uppercut to his kneecap??"

                              that is tpc in a nutshell

                              It is because you are going too far down to like 5 or 6 o'clock? Uppercuts start at about 4 o'clock.

                              I can tell from the responses, guys aren't centering the stick or trying to do combos too fast. Its all read and react, cant get any simpler.

                              Well yeah, buttons make it simpler, is that why guys want them back?

                              I played FN3 only for the achievements and hopped on FN4 demo, got whooped my 1st time. After going thru the tutorial once more, its about as real as a boxing game can get.

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                              • nickelplaydit
                                Rookie
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 93

                                #45
                                Re: EA Community Manager's response to the exclusion of button punching...

                                Originally posted by M.I.M.L.
                                the buttons are the better option, u are not less skilled just becasue u know how to use buttons

                                i have gotten whooped with analog users while they were using buttons, so there is no validity to the point u analog lovers are making

                                if i want to do a punch i want to do that punch

                                lol

                                imagine being in floyd mayweathers body

                                "he put his hands dow, hmmm yeah, time to throw my fierce right hook right to his temple" *proceeds to throw punch* "why the hell did i throw a uppercut to his kneecap??"

                                that is tpc in a nutshell

                                that is not tpc...thats a bum you're describing....someone who just pushes on the sticks to get somn out..and is not sure if he's doing it rite.....

                                compare the floyd wanna be to someone(like me) who dosent have those problems....what you'll see is a quick match....

                                maaaaan i'll beat floyd like i was floyd......LOL

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